Two ON-topic questions - I promise

[singing4every1]

I edited the last post I made about Curves. I apologized for a couple things. Go read if you wish. Anyway, if there's anyone here who still thinks I am a nice person (I promise, I am!) , I was wondering if anyone could answer these questions for me.

First off, PETA. Why do a lot of vegetarians and vegans dislike PETA? Besides the fact that some

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[peacewillfollow]

In regards to the hunting:

Taking a line from Perks Of Being A Wallflower: "Not everyone has a sob story, Charlie, and even if they do, it's no excuse."

We don't have to remain what we were raised with, everyone has the capability to change.

[singing4every1]

I agree and I hope they open their eyes.

[kero734]

[peacewillfollow]

It's one of my favorite books of all time, a completely non-guilty pleasure. =)

[matt_nothing]

Hi.

http://community.livejournal.com/veganpeople/tag/opinion-peta

http://community.livejournal.com/veganpeople/tag/arguments-hunting

[singing4every1]

Thanks, I hope people can give me new insights on these two topics though

[yrlover]

Arguments about how hunting 'helps' are the hunter's way of rationalizing primitive, unnecessary and violent behaviour. Read Carol J. Adams Living Among Meat Eaters for other fun and ridiculous ways people justify killing animals.

Also check the tags.

[singing4every1]

No really though I would like to hear the other side of the story. I would like to see their argument. I want to know what is this overpopulation crisis? I didn't know it existed. And if it does, how? I mean the guys in my band really ARE nice people and they obviously think what they are doing is ok. So how and where did they get misinformed in their lives? What is their side?

[dagda_ollathir]

There is no overpopulation crisis. Any wildlife manager will tell you that the populations are intentionally kept at slightly high levels so that hunters have animals to kill. Humans cause any population imbalances- for selfish reasons.

There is no justification for hunting. They think it's okay because they haven't stopped to think that murder is wrong, whether human or animal. Usually they are raised that way, in the same way that racists are raised thinking that minorities are inferior.

[singing4every1]

Good post. I try to think of it as, they don't understand or know any better. That is how I feel they are.

[neva_butterfly]

I grew up in a hunting family. I don't doubt that many hunters believe that hunted animals are overpopulating and that hunting controls the population, but this is actually false. Whenever populations of animals are studied it is usually the food supply that controls population, not predators. Also, while a natural predator would take sick, injured, weak, and sometimes young animals, human hunters typically go after the healthiest and strongest member of a herd, leaving sicker ones to reproduce and this damages the overall health of the herd. You are right that our overpopulation creates more conflicts between humans and wildlife, but this isn't the only problem. In the area where I live white tailed deer are increasing in number. We killed all of their natural predators, then we cut down the forests creating more grazing land, then we planted ornamental plants that they like to eat. Then we complain when they eat our plants

[singing4every1]

Wow, great post. Yes, I actually talked to someone from PETA on the phone the other day and asked them about the killing of the animals and they said they try to take in hurt animals basically and save who they can, but a lot of them are too far hurt to be saved and must be put out of their misery. Seems like a good argument to me. And where are they racist? I can see the sexist thing because they could be seen as "exploiting" to women, but besides that, where's some evidence of racism? I am interested in seeing where that is on their site. And I loved what you said about hunting. More comments everyone, more :). Thanks.

[neva_butterfly]

I'm from the area of PeTA, more or less, so my volunteering for them went back quite a few years. I was a huge, huge PeTA supporter and I no longer am. Ingrid Newkirk comes from a traditional animal control background and that's the attitude that is dominant at PeTA. They do feel they are putting animals out of their misery, but the truth is that they openly kill perfectly healthy animals, even puppies and kittens who would have a better chance of adoption. This is because they subscribe so whole-heartedly to the philosophy that there aren't enough homes and that the only way to solve this is by killing the majority of animals that come through shelters and rescues

[singing4every1]

WOW! Again thank you, very informative and I feel lucky to see an insider's view!

[xhellsx]

you listen to your own band?

one of our FANS?!

hahahahaha.

ahhhh.

[singing4every1]

Huh? What do you mean? I sing in the band, and I like to listen to our music yes. And I listen to what they say as well because I have an open mind.

[singing4every1]

Oh ok maybe you're confused. Ok I was talking to one of our fans the other day. As in FAN of US. AND we all happen to be close friends with many of our fans. Maybe that concept is too far out for you?

[xhellsx]

no my husband is in a band that is signed internationally to major record label, so the concept is very close to home..
but if i ever heard him talking about his "fans" i would probably punch him in the face
or if he sat around shamelessly listening to his own music for that matter
its the musical equivalent of wanking in the mirror.