comments on SPN S3
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( comments on supernatural season 3, spoilers to the end of it )
( comments on supernatural season 3, spoilers to the end of it )
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Yes, this. Narratively and, um, show-ly (in the sense of this being a show told on television in a certain format with seasons and hiatuses and so forth), it had to end with Dean dead. Therefore I was more divorced from the emotion, just watching what would happen next.
W/rt to the misogyny issue, I have mostly been able to divorce my distaste for the writing from my fondness for Dean, but I am definitely finding myself growing away from the characters.
This is how one gives up a fandom, isn't it? Sigh.
I do feel very much out of step with the fandom, since my flist is covered with squeeing and flailing (except for you & Vee).
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I had no idea that it had impacted my opinion of the characters as opposed to my opinion of the show. Maybe that just means I'm kind of dense, I'm not sure. And I can completely enjoy a show for the story while loathing some of the characters, so I don't know that I'm giving up or anything, but I do find that I'm not engaging emotionally. Which is sad.
But then, it's probably a miracle that I'm still here two years after John died.
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The kind of sad thing is that all they really needed was to keep more of Ellen and Jo in the show, as a counterbalance -- give Ellen one of Bobby's "helper" roles, for example, or a shared hunt, or something, and it would have reminded me that really, the characters aren't as hateful as I'd come to think.
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I think it's crazy that they keep trying to introduce female characters and then dropping them, even when they work. It just seems dumb and wasteful.
As for the Edlund issue -- I don't pay attention to who wrote what episode, so I'm sure you're right. But I also feel that TV shows are made by committee, and a lot of people contribute to the final product. So it doesn't seem right to me to hold just one guy responsible, since sure, he may have done the writing, but there are a whole host of other people involved in the show -- writers, directors, producers -- who have let all that sexism slide.
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Yes. This. It bothers me, but I just excise it when I write him, so I can kind of keep the Dean in my head and the Dean of season 3 separate. Of course, I also don't believe he doesn't know a lot of the shit they have him not knowing, so it's helpful in other ways, too.
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Neither of these are necessarily going to cause big problems when he's dealing with women he likes and respects, but they'll turn toxic with women who are Bad and Evil (in part because being "bad" is a betrayal of idealized womanhood).
I see what you mean by this, and I think that if we'd had more balance in the kinds of women seen on the show I would be more tolerant of Dean's attitude toward Bela and Ruby (although I still find the sexualization of his attacks on Ruby weird) if I had anything else in the text to remind me that Dean doesn't think that all women are evil skanks who are only getting what's coming to them. I mean, seriously, a guest appearance by Ellen would probably have done a lot to reconcile to me to what we got.
I think that I'm a little surprised that the writing is so bad that it's made me stop caring about a character ( ... )
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Not having watched last night's episode, that's the thing I've been dealing with. I don't want to think of him that way, and I don't want to look back on earlier episodes and feel like they're fraudulent, like they're the clever come-ons of somebody who secretly hates me-the-viewer in the midst of his attraction.
Which would be why I can't watch old episodes right now.
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