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vail_kagami

An observation about the SPN finale

May 25, 2014 16:40

The glimpses we got of Sam after he left Dean’s body in his bedroom lasted for about 45 seconds.

The scene with Dean and Crowley after Sam left Dean’s body in his bedroom lasted for almost three minutes.

So even when Dean is dead and only lying around he still gets three times as much screentime as Sam.

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glimmerella May 25 2014, 14:41:42 UTC

That... is downright depressing. :/

vail_kagami May 25 2014, 14:52:02 UTC

Yeah. Being a Sam fan is hard.

cordelia_gray May 25 2014, 16:07:14 UTC

*sigh*

Maybe next season will be Sam POV for a while, as he tries to figure out how to deal with demon!Dean? That would make sense. Not that I have a lot of hope, after the last two seasons.

At least the epic!fail this season was pretty much on Dean, though. That's something, I guess.

vail_kagami May 25 2014, 17:58:41 UTC

Oh yes it was! And I was very happy that he was actually called out on it and that Sam refused to forgive him. There were several instances where I thought they might pull the usual "Sam sees the error of his ways and apologizes to his poor brother for having been ~mean when Dean was right all along" (see: Amy), like when Kevin told them not to be stupid or in that Ghostfacers episode. And every time Sam stodd his ground, I cheered.
One thing I like about the finale is that Dean died without and forgiveness having been granted.

jrzriverside July 25 2014, 19:29:47 UTC

I absolutely agree.
Seems like Sam's pain doesn't count. Like there was nothing to add. In a way, Crowley said it in his little speech "all so predictable". It pissed me off.
So Sam has seen everyone die, he saw his mother die (he was too young to form a memory, but still), he saw Jessica die, he found his father dead on the floor, he seen Dean die more than a hundred times, he carries the guilt for kevin's death and Jo's and Hellen's, and still, he is not interesting enough to give him more than a drinking scene, and maybe a summoning ritual.
Once again, Sam is lied to and pushed aside by Dean, shadowed by Dean's bond with another character, in this case Crowley.
Man, it sucks... :(

vail_kagami August 22 2014, 20:44:53 UTC

Absolutely. It sucks and it's frustrating and makes me dislike Dean even more than Dean himself managed to make me dislike him on his own. (Someone on tumbrl observed that Dean didn't suddenly turn into a demon, he's just finally got the eyes to match. I find that accurate.)
Usually stories about tragic losses show you how the loved ones are dealing with the loss, they don't show you movie-length focus on the dead body. I guess SPN just wanted to be special...

jrzriverside August 23 2014, 04:06:27 UTC

Exactly. I thought that maybe we could have a last scene with Sam AND Dean, since SPN is suppose to be all about the brothers and their fight.

And I agree with the tumblr comment, I thought Dean lost his humanity a long time ago, probably before he went to hell. He actually doesn't know how to love Sam, instead he just holds on to him even if it destroys Sam in the process. IMO Dean being turned by the blade only shows how stronger Sam is, after everything, Sam chooses to hold on to his humanity and never turned evil. Even the writers said that soulless sam would be more like Dean..

When ever I think about this upcoming season I'm like "yep, this is gonna hurt" because as always Dean will be right and Sam wrong..

vail_kagami August 23 2014, 11:17:12 UTC

Ah, yes. Looking back, I actually think that Dean never really knew how to love Sam, rather than the idea of Sam that fits Dean's own self-image. People (and Dean himself) always go on about how much he loves Sam and how he would do anything for him but the fact is that even when they were kids, Dean never cared about Sam as a person, about Sam's wellbeing other than how it related to Dean, about what Sam wanted. He wanted him near, always, and that's called "deep and abiding love", but he never cared if he hurt Sam in the process. He wanted his brother to stay with the family and hunt and didn't care that Sam hated this life and was losing a piece of hismelf with every hunt. Sam going to college is portrayed as this incredible betrayal on his part butthe fact remains that Dean could have found a thousand ways to let Sam live his own (safe, happy) life without losing him. Saying in contact would have been a start. Dropping by every now and again, asking Sam for help if they really needed him (we know he would have come because he did ( ... )

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