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undercrypt

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Mar 07, 2005 14:51

"If commanded he will fetch Horses at the request of the Exorcist, or any other thing. But he must first be commanded into a Triangle, △, or else he will deceive him, and tell him many Lies."
The Lesser Key of Solomon, Goetia, SHEMHAMPHORASH, 44th SpiritEven if you accept that a book (any book: the Holy Bible, Liber AL, the Starseed Transmissions ( Read more... )

magick, necromancy

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lapidus_93 March 7 2005, 14:40:17 UTC

These are good points. The Theosophists such as Blavatsky were always fond of pointing out that merely because the source of a statement is a discarnate entity, one should not assume that it is either (a) true, or (b) wholesome.

iamsquid March 7 2005, 16:07:06 UTC

Well, the G.'.D.'. school of thought is that yoo test the spirit by means of grade signs, godnames, etc.

As far as Thelema is concerned "success is thy proof." Read Crowley's comment on the word "Makashanah."

paradoxosalpha March 7 2005, 20:27:56 UTC

Crowley's "tests" are itemized in the second part of "Notes from an Astral Atlas" in the appendices to Magick, as well as The Equinox of the Gods.

undercrypt March 8 2005, 06:23:11 UTC

Some of Dee's experiences also come to mind. "Those spirits you were talking to yesterday? Those were demons trying to trick you. Here's the real tablet."

...one should not assume that it is either (a) true, or (b) wholesome.

"Wholesome" is exactly the word, yes.

Well, the G.'.D.'. school of thought is that yoo test the spirit by means of grade signs, godnames, etc.

Assuming that system wasn't partially a creation of untested spirits itself, that does help with the identification part. I'm not sure it helps much with determining accuracy or wholesomeness.

Also, that seems less useful in dealing with someone else's text. Unless the thought here is that the only way to verify the information is to contact the source directly.

Read Crowley's comment on the word "Makashanah."

I don't recall that... where is it?

Crowley's "tests" are itemized in the second part of "Notes from an Astral Atlas" in the appendices to Magick, as well as The Equinox of the Gods.

I'll refer to those, thanks.

undercrypt March 8 2005, 08:02:54 UTC

Makashanah, from the Ab-ul-Diz Working? Or somewhere else?

jinee15 March 9 2005, 08:31:47 UTC

Our Name is Melancholy is an interesting book, and Westgate has a lot of pretty cool artwork. Leilah Wendell's account is fascinating, but I felt skeptical about her necromancy practices. (Not that I would get into necromancy anyway.) Have you been to Westgate?

undercrypt March 9 2005, 14:57:07 UTC

The site, not the locale, and I have a few of her books (and a set of her tarot trumps, I think). Quite interesting, although I'm not entirely sure she's talking to who she thinks she's talking to.

I agree on the artwork.

jinee15 March 12 2005, 08:50:07 UTC

Do you have any speculations as to who she might really be talking to?

undercrypt April 5 2005, 10:25:00 UTC

Honestly, no. I can't rule out she's talking to who she thinks she is, but I also can't rule out that she's talking to a being of her own creation, or to something posing as what she expects. From what I've read, she hasn't tested this spirit at all - but I could have missed something.

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