I don't get this ep, as a monster of the week it's ok but are we supposed to look deeper and what they are saying about death ?
Loved when Owen is still alive , how shocked they were and Iantos funny "Here we go again" loved Jack and Owen in the cell very funny yet very sad for the two of them and what theirs lives will or won't be like now
Why was the Glove only going after Martha ? why did "Death" kill Jack when it came out and is this where Weevils come from ? or are they saying Weevils like dead things ?
But the worst bit about this ep was how they gave us the info, i don't know much about the writing staff but shouldn't they know by now what peoples jobs are at TW. Gwen does the research finds out all this info based on just two words "Hunger Earth" but what doesn't read the end bit where "Faith" is a girl huh and Ianto can't find the site Gwen got this info from, what, but at least he knows to read it all , none of that made any sense. Did love Tosh's line though " Are we seriously going to go on something she Googled" LOL
You make some interesting points and they all lead us back to a well worn conclusion: Torchwood's paid writing staff were mostly crap. They made some interesting starts but usually failed in consistency and plotting.
This was never a favorite episode for me. It doesn't get better in the re-watching, though more problem occur to me the closer I look. Why, for example, did Death have to do to the hospital? Surely death can have anyone it wants, even healthy people. It had Jack, after all. It also had the nurse who was tending the sick. There had to be at least 13 people between the Hub and the hospital. Death could have had them all. To contain the need for outside shoots and set changes it makes it easy to go to a hospital. That device doesn't make the story logical.
I don't know anything about the writing staff but this seems disjointed , like maybe there was too many writers putting in bits and pieces and too many questions, you can answer all questions but it needs to make sense. I don't even know if Jacks death was included in his count, if not why not
It's a strange ep , cause none of my questions have to do with Owen and considering he is the dead one in this, shouldn't it have been about him, but i guess that's next week
Bit late chiming in here, but you raised something that always bothered the hell out of me. If Death killed Jack, why didn't it kill the rest of the team? I would have said they escaped while Death was occupied, but they brought Jack's body along. So what were they doing? Watching, then somehow grabbing his body and dragging it to the SUV while Death took a nap? (And now I have this cracky scene in my head of the team standing around while Jack is being killed, making sarcastic comments.)
I don't really like this episode much. There are some really great bits. I like Ianto with the hockey stick, in fact his face is one of the classic shots ever in TW. I also love Ianto with the weight watchers websites, that is also very funny. The skellington monster is funny for all the wrong reasons, I quite enjoyed that.
Otherwise I just think it's a bit dull and silly, Owen and his death angst, I don't know, it could have been much more interesting.
Not really a fan of this episode or the zombie story arc as a whole at all.This whole tragedy about Owen dying forever and then they go and kill him off permanently a few episodes later anyway. A few good scenes, the one between Owen and Jack in the jail comes to mind. But there's too much silly too (I know, I know it's Torchwood what did you expect
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In a show that is supposed to be about Sci-Fi and aliens, what is all this nonsense about Death stalking the earth and the team defeating Death? Death can never be defeated, it is inevitable and has been on the earth ever since the first living organism came into being. So I don't understand all this mysticism.
I guess that's what i was asking about this ep by making the creature "Death" or our myth of "Death" was there supposed to be some underlining message that i missed
That fight scene was hilarious! What were they thinking?
If the girl had been Faith it might have made it a bit more interesting.
You know how Burn Gorman said at what I think may have been his only convention, that Martha was shoehorned into TW. Well I can't help but think that's the problem. They had an actress that didn't work on their other show, clearly some kind of contract so needed to give her something to do. Then on top of that RTD decided last minute to kill Owen not Ianto. GDL has said the script was all ready with Ianto dying, and I know a lot of people have seen those scripts. So hence hastily written script with shoehorned in extra character = bad episodes.
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to look deeper and what they are saying about death ?
Loved when Owen is still alive , how shocked they were and Iantos funny
"Here we go again" loved Jack and Owen in the cell very funny yet very sad for the two of them and what theirs lives will or won't be like now
Why was the Glove only going after Martha ? why did "Death" kill Jack when it came out and is this where Weevils come from ? or are they saying Weevils like dead things ?
But the worst bit about this ep was how they gave us the info, i don't know much about the writing staff but shouldn't they know by now what peoples jobs are at TW. Gwen does the research finds out all this info based on just two words "Hunger Earth" but what doesn't read the end bit where "Faith" is a girl huh and Ianto can't find the site Gwen got this info from, what, but at least he knows to read it all , none of that made any sense. Did love Tosh's line though " Are we seriously going to go on something she Googled" LOL
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This was never a favorite episode for me. It doesn't get better in the re-watching, though more problem occur to me the closer I look. Why, for example, did Death have to do to the hospital? Surely death can have anyone it wants, even healthy people. It had Jack, after all. It also had the nurse who was tending the sick. There had to be at least 13 people between the Hub and the hospital. Death could have had them all. To contain the need for outside shoots and set changes it makes it easy to go to a hospital. That device doesn't make the story logical.
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It's a strange ep , cause none of my questions have to do with Owen and considering he is the dead one in this, shouldn't it have been about him, but i guess that's next week
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Otherwise I just think it's a bit dull and silly, Owen and his death angst, I don't know, it could have been much more interesting.
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As Owen (and the majority of the team) proves in the Exit Wounds by actually dying.
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If the girl had been Faith it might have made it a bit more interesting.
You know how Burn Gorman said at what I think may have been his only convention, that Martha was shoehorned into TW. Well I can't help but think that's the problem. They had an actress that didn't work on their other show, clearly some kind of contract so needed to give her something to do. Then on top of that RTD decided last minute to kill Owen not Ianto. GDL has said the script was all ready with Ianto dying, and I know a lot of people have seen those scripts. So hence hastily written script with shoehorned in extra character = bad episodes.
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