Thanks for answering! I think your breakdown of Annie is fascinating, and it makes me think more about how to work in those kinds of complex characters and I love your perspective on how to crossover. I hadn't really thought about the trope/tone overlap. Gave me thoughts.
Well, I am glad you didn't say you'd save Richie :)
So I mostly agree with you but with some differences. I don't think it genuinely matters where immortals come from, although my view is that they are variant humans and the Game is essentially nature's way of keeping the variant population down.
If I were to redo it, I would probably drop the concept of the Gathering. I think its enough that an immortal gains the other's power in a fight.
I definetely agree that I would have liked to have seen Duncan have more difficult choices and gain some understanding that the other Immortals werent just a band of assholes.
The watchers are more difficult in that if they were going to play they needed to be less omnipotent
Well maybe I would kill off Richie in an episode that makes more sense. ;) (I liked Richie, though I think a character like him is meant to die eventually. However, I thought the way they did it was dissatisfying
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Somebody should be asking those questions. Duncan just accepts things as they are, he needs to get over that.
In fact, this is probably a fail point of the 'verse, that no one ever questions the way they live in a serious way. Now granted, I just got done with the fake Methos episode so this is more in my head but really, why does everyone HAVE TO kill each other?
And why does no one ever question anything about this?
Yeah, I know. It's eerily reminiscent of how a couple of guys decided there's this one god and then a bit of politics happened and now everybody believes it. I think it's pretty likely that the Games just... happened.
Annie is so interesting to me because how people handle her character in canon in their fanon/headcanon reflects their view of mental illness.
Oh, I love that observation. How interesting. So true.
The fact that she's most likely (we don't get enough of her in the books for it to be canon, even when it's so obvious) very self-aware and self-sufficient while still struggling with her instability is, to me, a sign of strength in the sense that she's not going to give up.I don't think there's a real question about whether she's self-aware? It's not like she's psychotic. Also I think District Thirteen wouldn't have hesitated to take away her right to vote on the Games if she couldn't make her own decisions. Or that Finnick would be comfortable having sex with her, for that matter
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Which is why it's obvious she is self-aware, yeah. But according to a big enough portion of the fandom to make me think that her canon characterization was inconsistent, or that some fans just really want her to be a child, she always needs Finnick to bring her back - no doubt stemming from the bit where she was upset by something Johanna said and held her hands over her ears, and didn't remove them until Finnick said something to her. But you're totally right; her entire relationship with Finnick would be disturbing if she wasn't self-aware enough to have agency.
I don't see that as much but you're right that it's problematic to have to balance out a person's mental instability with stereotypical 'strong' traits.
I sometimes think it's really hard for people to look beyond a protagonist's POV, or to look beyond what the narration of a book implies. I suspect people like you and me often underestimate how hard exactly.
1. More Rebecca, please 2. More of the 4 Horsemen 3. Have Arjuna and maybe some of the Hindo gods [flashback?] be Immortal 4. Much more Kung Fu/oriental stuff than just Duncan's katana
Generally more reoccurring characters and more women would have been nice, yeah. I wouldn't care much if it was Rebecca or somebody else. There just never were enough women.
I would absolutely have loved move explorations of gods being Immortals and Immortals being gods. Or Immortals with a god complex, for that matter.
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So I mostly agree with you but with some differences. I don't think it genuinely matters where immortals come from, although my view is that they are variant humans and the Game is essentially nature's way of keeping the variant population down.
If I were to redo it, I would probably drop the concept of the Gathering. I think its enough that an immortal gains the other's power in a fight.
I definetely agree that I would have liked to have seen Duncan have more difficult choices and gain some understanding that the other Immortals werent just a band of assholes.
The watchers are more difficult in that if they were going to play they needed to be less omnipotent
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In fact, this is probably a fail point of the 'verse, that no one ever questions the way they live in a serious way. Now granted, I just got done with the fake Methos episode so this is more in my head but really, why does everyone HAVE TO kill each other?
And why does no one ever question anything about this?
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Oh, I love that observation. How interesting. So true.
The fact that she's most likely (we don't get enough of her in the books for it to be canon, even when it's so obvious) very self-aware and self-sufficient while still struggling with her instability is, to me, a sign of strength in the sense that she's not going to give up.I don't think there's a real question about whether she's self-aware? It's not like she's psychotic. Also I think District Thirteen wouldn't have hesitated to take away her right to vote on the Games if she couldn't make her own decisions. Or that Finnick would be comfortable having sex with her, for that matter ( ... )
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I don't see that as much but you're right that it's problematic to have to balance out a person's mental instability with stereotypical 'strong' traits.
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1. More Rebecca, please
2. More of the 4 Horsemen
3. Have Arjuna and maybe some of the Hindo gods [flashback?] be Immortal
4. Much more Kung Fu/oriental stuff than just Duncan's katana
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Generally more reoccurring characters and more women would have been nice, yeah. I wouldn't care much if it was Rebecca or somebody else. There just never were enough women.
I would absolutely have loved move explorations of gods being Immortals and Immortals being gods. Or Immortals with a god complex, for that matter.
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