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[trinityvixen]

A wonderful conversation about this maddening, obfuscating article about DADT

moonlightalice: oh god the NYT ran a pro-DADT op-ed
me: they waaaaa?
(goes to read linked article)me: I love how he's like "But we kicked out fatties and no one complained!" Well, yes, because you're allowed to fire people who can't do the job. Point is that gay people CAN. That

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[moonlightalice]

If I had known I was going to be quoted I would've tried to be a bit more eloquent.

But yeah, warrior culture. Ugh.

[trinityvixen]

Eloquence is not required of gchat, I promise.

[viridian]

SHE ALWAYS DOES THAT.

A look at trinityvixen's lj archives will show many, many conversations wherein she is witty and I sit there and go "lol" for the entirety of the conversation. (Mostly because I've stopped paying any actual attention by the time she gets to the quotable part.)

[trinityvixen]

:P!!!!

[trinityvixen]

Yeah, the "ew, gays!" part of the military is definitely working on this bullshit idea that sex has no place in this man's army, when, in fact, the army is notorious for not only aggressive sexual behavior but by its incidents of sexual abuse and the way they attract prostitutes like flies to honey. It's just ridiculous that those far removed from being in the army imagine that shit doesn't still happen. Heteros are no less sexual than homos, which they seem to have forgotten. But since we define homosexuality as other, and, therefore, it is automatically about sex, it's "pushing it in our faces"!!!

Plus, there are people forced out under DADT who weren't not asked. That's a weird double-negative, but Rachel Maddow had a solider on who was, like four years ago, kicked out for being gay when his e-mails were snooped in on by people higher up. They found something they didn't like and kicked him out. They didn't ask him if he was gay, but they're not supposed to go looking for evidence that he is because that's basically the same thing

[linaerys]

Having a gay guy there to go "Yep, that's a good cock" would probably IMPROVE things

Hahahah, that is awesome and true. Although since so many wars seem to come from cock-insecurity, maybe the real issue is if these guys were all okay with their cocks, they might not want to go to war so hard.

[trinityvixen]

Of course, if a gay guy complimented a straight guy's cock, he'd probably get the shit beat out of him because to accept a compliment from a gay guy is tantamount to being gay yourself in our normal, bigoted, hetero-centric society, to say nothing of the RAR WE ARE REAL MEN attitudes of the military. Very sad.

And, yes, if we would just respect the peen more, men wouldn't have to kill the shit out of each other. Or, to put it in a way that doesn't make it seem like it's anyone's fault but the insecure: if they would stop defining manliness by ZOMG HUGE COCK status, we'd all be better off.

[wellgull]

To be fair, most of the military doesn't want to go to war; it's the (chickenhawk) civilian leadership & the political expediency of pushing war that's been responsible for our latest adventures.