NDAA in the Senate

[tongodeon]

My brother commented on yesterday's post, pointing out that I'm only telling half the story. After the NDAA was passed from the House to the Senate, more provisions were added including the one allowing the President to detain anyone, not just foreigners, without trial. He included this clip of Senator Carl Levin saying that the President requested

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[mmcirvin]

A lot of what I've heard is not so much Republicans pushing this as a faction of libertarian-leaning progressives and progressive-allied libertarians, people who supported Obama in 2008 on anti-imperialist and civil-liberties grounds, and are now disappointed that he isn't an anti-imperialist civil-liberties president.

Right now, the one guy saying the things they really want to hear is Ron Paul, but it comes at a time when people are rediscovering how noxious Ron Paul is on every other subject, so Ron Paul is getting a lot of heat. And at the same time, they're realizing that most Democrats really don't care about civil liberties and anti-imperialism sufficiently that they regard Obama's deficiencies on these subjects as important as Ron Paul being an extreme-right whackaloon with a racist history, and while the former faction (Glenn Greenwald, Matt Stoller) may not actually want Ron Paul to be president, they think this ordering of priorities is misplaced and that greater willingness to attack Ron Paul than Barack Obama is a

[theweaselking]

The problem with Ron Paul is that his reasoning is absolutely insane, in every way, on every issue.

Sometimes, his preparations to thwart the brown-skinned moon-zombies coincide with something that sane people might want - but he doesn't want it because he's reasoned a logical path to reach that conclusion, he wants it because he's terrified of the Jews and he thinks this will prevent them from laying their eggs in his fleshmeats.

[tongodeon]

libertarian-leaning progressives and progressive-allied libertarians, people who supported Obama in 2008 on anti-imperialist and civil-liberties grounds, and are now disappointed that he isn't an anti-imperialist civil-liberties president.

That's my point - I think he is, he's mostly an ineffective one, because the Republicans are impossible to work with. Any time he tries to do anything civil-liberties and anti-imperialist the Republicans shut him down. All that these folks see is the final headline - "Obama signs NDAA" - and assume that he's been on board with the whole thing the entire time.