I wish I saw more focus on his intense racism as well. It was women, yes, and it was moreover white women. The ideology behind this is that white women are "put on a pedastle" (gross, ew, yuck, that this would be considered a pedastle at all) while WOC are not. What does that say about how WOC are treated, if we are looking at social ideology around how we view and treat women in our culture? I just wish I saw more conversation about that as well.
This is true; I've seen a few #yesallwomen tweets specifically addressing the treatment of WOC, but I think just as the #yesallwomen has, I think, got through to some men, perhaps a #yesallWOC might get through to some white people that racism is alive and well and has a negative effect on real live people.
I agree with you that we should be paying attention to his race motivations as well. Rodgers had this whole caste system set up in his mind regarding the stratification of gender and race, that women are prizes for men to achieve and some are worth more than others (ie: white women are of greater value than WOC) and that some men (white men, or men who are "more" white or better pass as white) are more "worthy" than others (men of color) of the high-status women. He was absolutely outraged that some people would thwart this imagined system, that a man of color would date a white woman that Rodgers "deserved" more than he did.
It's sick-- and yet how many people have casually internalized similar beliefs, refusing to date a certain race in principle or resenting men of other races for "taking" their women? I hear people express these thoughts sometimes and it's deeply concerning to say the least.
It's a fine idea, but it'll have the effect any other attempt by women to make, force, influence, request, demand men to stop treating us like objects who should immediately kowtow to their demands for sex by lying down and spreading our legs -- some men will ignore it and keep on being rapists, rapists in training, or apologists for rapists, some men will get butt-hurt about it and start whining "well, not all men think that way", and the rest will say, "Well, I'm not that way, so it doesn't apply to me."
So nothing will change. In order to affect change, it has to start from the cradle, training male children that it's NOT okay to regard females as less than autonomous humans with their own rights. Including the right to NOT be regarded as a fuck toy, in spite of her desires. And to NOT be murdered because she said NO.
I've seen hopeful responses from men who read #yesallwomen tweets and said their eyes have been opened, it's made them realize they want to raise their sons better, etc. Could be lip service, only time will tell. It's a long overdue start.
I completely disagree. You say that in order for change, we need to educate men from birth. But who is doing that education? And how will those educators learn? If something like this campaign has no effect, then no awareness campaign will have any effect.
Child care centers. Preschool. School. This is an issue that can't be left to the parents, because they're the indoctrinators of the behavior you're trying to change.
It's one of the ways anti-racism was first presented in school. I grew up with it. It presents a different way of thinking, and causes kids to start questioning the "wrong" behavior. Then when those kids are parents, you have fewer parents carrying forward the "wrong" thinking.
We're not 100% with racism, but IMO we're better than we were in 1960. If it's working with racism, it would work with the idea that men are entitled to women as sexual objects.
Not all that confident. I grew up being constantly reminded by my parents of all my shortcomings. Some teachings you never outgrow.
I've been attacked by dogs a number of times. As a result, I often carry pepper spray when walking--and have had occasion to use the stuff, which proved effective.
im really glad this is going on and showing that yes, all women have experienced sexual harassment. plus i think its great that it makes light of the "but not all men!!!11" crap that gets thrown around.
I found this on LJ quoted from another site. Sadly when I put it in my notes I forgot to save the name of the woman who wrote it.
See, what you need to understand is that “Not all guys are like that” is never going to work. Because you’re answering an entirely different conversation than what women are actually saying.
You think women are saying “Every man is a predator and a danger to me.” And you’re replying, “But I’m not like that.” But women aren’t saying that. They’re saying “There are too many situations where women have to worry about their safety,” and you’re saying “That’s not important.”
They’re saying “Women are constantly told it’s their fault if something bad happens,” and you’re saying “Don’t worry about it.”
They’re saying “Too often, women find their trust violated by men,” and you’re saying “But you should trust me!”
They’re saying “So many men have decided that what they want is more important than anything about a woman.” And you’re replying “I’m exactly like that.”
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I wish I saw more focus on his intense racism as well. It was women, yes, and it was moreover white women. The ideology behind this is that white women are "put on a pedastle" (gross, ew, yuck, that this would be considered a pedastle at all) while WOC are not. What does that say about how WOC are treated, if we are looking at social ideology around how we view and treat women in our culture? I just wish I saw more conversation about that as well.
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It's sick-- and yet how many people have casually internalized similar beliefs, refusing to date a certain race in principle or resenting men of other races for "taking" their women? I hear people express these thoughts sometimes and it's deeply concerning to say the least.
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So nothing will change. In order to affect change, it has to start from the cradle, training male children that it's NOT okay to regard females as less than autonomous humans with their own rights. Including the right to NOT be regarded as a fuck toy, in spite of her desires. And to NOT be murdered because she said NO.
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It's one of the ways anti-racism was first presented in school. I grew up with it. It presents a different way of thinking, and causes kids to start questioning the "wrong" behavior. Then when those kids are parents, you have fewer parents carrying forward the "wrong" thinking.
We're not 100% with racism, but IMO we're better than we were in 1960. If it's working with racism, it would work with the idea that men are entitled to women as sexual objects.
It's at least better than not doing anything.
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I've been attacked by dogs a number of times. As a result, I often carry pepper spray when walking--and have had occasion to use the stuff, which proved effective.
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See, what you need to understand is that “Not all guys are like that” is never going to work. Because you’re answering an entirely different conversation than what women are actually saying.
You think women are saying “Every man is a predator and a danger to me.” And you’re replying, “But I’m not like that.” But women aren’t saying that. They’re saying “There are too many situations where women have to worry about their safety,” and you’re saying “That’s not important.”
They’re saying “Women are constantly told it’s their fault if something bad happens,” and you’re saying “Don’t worry about it.”
They’re saying “Too often, women find their trust violated by men,” and you’re saying “But you should trust me!”
They’re saying “So many men have decided that what they want is more important than anything about a woman.” And you’re replying “I’m exactly like that.”
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/27/your-princess-is-in-another-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds.html
http://vixyish.livejournal.com/827638.html
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