The bit about Beardy Bat--I never heard of him before, and he sounds like a cool possibility. Of course, he's not HyperMega, so Morrison wouldn't bother with him.
Oh, you'd like him, I'd reckon! He's a special kind of crazy! I imagine the other bat-rogues, crazy as they are, not really wanting to hang around Strange. He's just that uncomfortably nuts.
If you can find them, I wholeheartedly recommend tracking down BATMAN: PREY and BATMAN: STRANGE APPARITIONS. The latter is the classic '70's stuff, and it also features the Joker clasic, "The Laughing Fish." The Joker wants to trademark fish, he doesn't care who he has to kill to make it happen! Live the dream, Mistah J!
Say, do you happen to have a link to your entry about the dream Ralph/Sue book you and Meg were cooking up? I want to show it to Henchgirl, who has recently fallen in love with Ralph and Sue. Mainly because they're kinda us.
I have to say, I don't think there are as many vocal Morrison defenders at scans_daily as you may think! You could post this and I imagine you'd only get a handful of dissenting voices. From what I've seen most posters at scans_daily dislike Morrison as much as they dislike any popular or successful writer that isn't Simone (or possibly Gaiman
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You think so? Hmmm... maybe I'll consider it, then. Maybe.
Basically...I don't mind them creating new villains rather than constantly using another individual's creations (especially overused ones like the Joker), but the results are often so clumsy it hardly seems worth the effort. Dusting off seldom used classic characters sounds like a reasonable compromise.
And that's the thing: there should be new villains. They just shouldn't can't be created to be the Ultimate Villain off the bat. It won't work that way. What did you think of Dini's HEART OF HUSH? Many people seem to hate it--mainly for what happens to Selina--but for its flaws, I hate to admit that it actually made me kinda care about Tommy
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You think so? Hmmm... maybe I'll consider it, then. Maybe.Hahaha, I just noticed you ran into a Morrison fan at scans_daily who isn't treating you all that nicely. I've had a 'discussion' with him/her before...it was 'fun
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I'm like 98% positive that it's our old pal again. Y'know, the one who said he wasn't gonna join scans_daily 3.0.
If you manage to track down STRANGE APPARITIONS, do let me know what you think! It's a bit dated, but the awesomeness elevates much/most of it to timelessness.
The number one greatest (IMO) Jervis episode barely has Jervis in it at all: "Perchance to Dream." Far as I'm concerned, his bit at the end is the defining Mad Hatter moment in the whole series. At the risk of sounding sickening, Henchgirl asks me to reenact it from time to time.
I wish Jervis could be the Willy Wonka of Gotham. The Gene Wilder Willy Wonka, mind you.
Even when the Joker is depicted as stupidly as he is here (and hey, let's totally just reduce a richly complex trickster/devil figure into a one-note grinning nightmarish ghoul, thus making him the polar opposite of the Hamill and Ledger Jokers alike) he still rightly points out that Hurt himself is a joke.
Which would be great if that's what Grant Morrison intended. But no, it wasn't. Morrison has outright stated (in BATMAN: THE PRIVATE CASEBOOK, for one place) that Dr. Hurt was literally intended to be the ultimate villain for Batman.
Morrison's problem is that he, like many other people in the field (Joe Q., for example) seem to be stuck in the mode of Taking the Piss Out Of Fanboys, which I'm assuming is what he's doing here.
Based on some of his comments in interviews, that seems to be a very good theory.
For the past fifteen, twenty years (particularly since the whole Hal/Kyle thing in the 90's), there seems to have been increased clashing between creators and fans, with both sides throwing out their own moments of asshattery.
On one hand, you have the fans who feel entitled to put demands upon the writer to feed their own whims. On the other hand, you have the creators and editors who have a "fuck the fans, you'll buy the shit anyway and complain about it, so we might as well insult and manipulate you" mentality.
And when you have a writer who's at rock star status like Morrison is, then he has the freedom to let his ego explode and trash-talk the fans who don't like his work.
Really, fanboys need the piss taken out of them, but so do creators. Especially ones like Morrison, who purport to tell grand, "important" stories.
I thought Joe Q.'s big problem is that he is a fanboy who refuses to except that the days of his youth are gone and that everyone wants to see Spidy and Mary Jane back together.
I have a theory that Joe Q. just wants to set everything back to how it was when he was a kid and then write it the way HE thought it should have gone.
seriously thanks for showing me that it is ok to question and even dislike Morrison. I have still been irritated with him since his run in "new" X-Men, but I still gave him a second and a third try. I liked the start of his run with Batman, but I agree on your points, Hurt made no scence, his crew I was hoping for more info on, and in the end I figured Morrison would explain and flesh out Hurt and his crew making them Grayson's arch enemies or something, in the REBORN run. Alas no he has not, he has gone off on a wild rant with his comic, and though interesting his Batman and Robin can be, still it just feels like a "let me show you all I can one up Frank Miller" comic
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If you can find them, I wholeheartedly recommend tracking down BATMAN: PREY and BATMAN: STRANGE APPARITIONS. The latter is the classic '70's stuff, and it also features the Joker clasic, "The Laughing Fish." The Joker wants to trademark fish, he doesn't care who he has to kill to make it happen! Live the dream, Mistah J!
Say, do you happen to have a link to your entry about the dream Ralph/Sue book you and Meg were cooking up? I want to show it to Henchgirl, who has recently fallen in love with Ralph and Sue. Mainly because they're kinda us.
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Basically...I don't mind them creating new villains rather than constantly using another individual's creations (especially overused ones like the Joker), but the results are often so clumsy it hardly seems worth the effort. Dusting off seldom used classic characters sounds like a reasonable compromise.
And that's the thing: there should be new villains. They just shouldn't can't be created to be the Ultimate Villain off the bat. It won't work that way. What did you think of Dini's HEART OF HUSH? Many people seem to hate it--mainly for what happens to Selina--but for its flaws, I hate to admit that it actually made me kinda care about Tommy ( ... )
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If you manage to track down STRANGE APPARITIONS, do let me know what you think! It's a bit dated, but the awesomeness elevates much/most of it to timelessness.
The number one greatest (IMO) Jervis episode barely has Jervis in it at all: "Perchance to Dream." Far as I'm concerned, his bit at the end is the defining Mad Hatter moment in the whole series. At the risk of sounding sickening, Henchgirl asks me to reenact it from time to time.
I wish Jervis could be the Willy Wonka of Gotham. The Gene Wilder Willy Wonka, mind you.
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I could have been in the SUPERMAN MOVIE!
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Which would be great if that's what Grant Morrison intended. But no, it wasn't. Morrison has outright stated (in BATMAN: THE PRIVATE CASEBOOK, for one place) that Dr. Hurt was literally intended to be the ultimate villain for Batman.
Morrison's problem is that he, like many other people in the field (Joe Q., for example) seem to be stuck in the mode of Taking the Piss Out Of Fanboys, which I'm assuming is what he's doing here.
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For the past fifteen, twenty years (particularly since the whole Hal/Kyle thing in the 90's), there seems to have been increased clashing between creators and fans, with both sides throwing out their own moments of asshattery.
On one hand, you have the fans who feel entitled to put demands upon the writer to feed their own whims. On the other hand, you have the creators and editors who have a "fuck the fans, you'll buy the shit anyway and complain about it, so we might as well insult and manipulate you" mentality.
And when you have a writer who's at rock star status like Morrison is, then he has the freedom to let his ego explode and trash-talk the fans who don't like his work.
Really, fanboys need the piss taken out of them, but so do creators. Especially ones like Morrison, who purport to tell grand, "important" stories.
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I have a theory that Joe Q. just wants to set everything back to how it was when he was a kid and then write it the way HE thought it should have gone.
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