The dreaded comma

Jan 05, 2011 14:30

One of the most inconsistent grammatical decisions I see in fanfiction is comma usage. Some of that is due to innocent lack of know-how by the author, but I get the impression that quite a few people genuinely believe that there is more than one "right way" to go about using a comma. Maybe that's true. I'm not a language expert, and language does " ( Read more... )

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lauraelizabeth9 January 5 2011, 19:44:29 UTC
apparently they've (and by "they" i mean whoever the hell makes these rules lol) made quite a few changes involving commas and I think it's caused a lot of confusion. for instance, when you're listing things I guess it is no longer necessary to have the comma before the and. (for example: bread, milk and water). which is really stupid imo.
and I also learned that when using an apostrophe with a person's name that happens to end with an 's', you do "James'" instead of "James's" but I guess that's not correct now? idk.

I tend to go comma crazy. commas are the one thing I'm horrible at, especially speaker tags. i feel like i was absent when we covered that in elementary school lol. i'll also admit that I've been guilty of putting a comma in front of because at times.
A teacher once said that a good way to make sure you use commas correctly is to put one where you would naturally pause or take a breath if saying the sentence out loud. i'm not sure if this is correct 100% of the time, but it's seems pretty foolproof.

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majestamoniet January 5 2011, 20:05:23 UTC
I've always put a comma before the "and" in a list (i.e. bread, milk, and water), but one of my teachers did tell me it's optional. I don't understand why. *shakes head*

My brother's name is Curtis. We've always written the possessive form of his name as "Curtis's." The only time there should just be an apostrophe hanging on the end by itself is if its a plural form of a word (i.e. someone spilled the horses' water bins). But that's just how I learned it. I wonder if there are regional differences in how that's taught? IDK.

A teacher once said that a good way to make sure you use commas correctly is to put one where you would naturally pause or take a breath if saying the sentence out loud.

That can work, but it also has the potential to go very wrong, especially with young writers or even mature writers when they're writing dialogue. Sometimes you want a character to pause somewhere there shouldn't be a comma. I prefer it a little bit more black and white. ;)

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lauraelizabeth9 January 5 2011, 20:11:12 UTC
I've always put a comma before the "and" in a list (i.e. bread, milk, and water), but one of my teachers did tell me it's optional. I don't understand why. *shakes head*

me too, I still do that and I was told it was optional too but I really don't see how :/

I wonder if there are regional differences in how that's taught? IDK.

hmmm...idk. then again, I was taught in Polk County (in FL) and the majority don't know how to talk right, tbh :P

That can work, but it also has the potential to go very wrong, especially wit young writer or when you're writing dialogue.

yeah, I figured it's not always right. it never failed when I was younger, but I've noticed that since I've started writing outside of the academic setting it's caused me to have quite a few errors. :P
I was told that really early on, and it's probably good advice when you're like 10, just not when you're 20 ;) lol

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majestamoniet January 5 2011, 20:32:36 UTC
I wanna know who decides these things. Who's "the man" behind all this stuff. lol.

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willow2883 January 5 2011, 19:53:53 UTC
Great post btw. I've always been from the school of thought 'better too many than not enough', but then realized I was WAY overusing them. So I purposely broke myself of that. And now I probably don't use them where I should. So I'll ask you this - which is less annoying? Too many commas, or not enough? And should I have used one right there? LOL
A teacher once said that a good way to make sure you use commas correctly is to put one where you would naturally pause or take a breath
I also remember this being taught to me. Does it still hold true?

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lauraelizabeth9 January 5 2011, 20:13:38 UTC
THIS lol

i went from one extreme to the other. I can't seem to find middle ground.

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majestamoniet January 5 2011, 20:18:23 UTC
I used to use commas EVERYWHERE. It was like an illness. But my eighth grade teacher beat that habit out of me. ;)

Too many commas, or not enough?

No, you don't need a comma there. xD

I also remember this being taught to me. Does it still hold true?

Gonna copy and past above reply: That can work, but it also has the potential to go very wrong, especially with young writers or even mature writers when they're writing dialogue. Sometimes you want a character to pause somewhere there shouldn't be a comma. I prefer it a little bit more black and white. ;)

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willow2883 January 5 2011, 20:30:46 UTC
Thank, you, I, am, thoroughly, confused, now.
Just kidding!

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imissimissyou January 5 2011, 20:19:20 UTC
Thanks for this, commas are one of my enemies!! I think I often put them where I shouldn't.

And I've always thought it'd be "James'" instead of "James's", because that is how I've been taught. Anything ending with s shouldn't be s's. But then again I've been taught by non-English speaking teachers, lol. That might also be the reason many people misuse commas, and is the cause for many gramatical errors. It's a very international fandom.

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lauraelizabeth9 January 5 2011, 20:29:33 UTC
and I've been taught by the idiots that live in FL. so we may be wrong :P lol

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majestamoniet January 5 2011, 20:30:19 UTC
It sort of makes you wonder what standards there are for teaching teachers how to teach. lol. There are so many inconsistencies! Who's right???

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imissimissyou January 5 2011, 20:38:14 UTC
It seems like for individual names it's James's and for like family names it's James'. So it's not James' for first names, only when you're talking about more than one person.

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sleepy_sheep683 January 9 2011, 03:17:44 UTC
This is an excellent topic to start up! I've used that site too and found it pretty useful.

If we're going to have a SPAG convo, I should share This site as well. It's also helped me a lot with my writing ( ... )

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sleepy_sheep683 January 9 2011, 03:27:38 UTC
Just had a thought! Reading the 'Twilight' novels is probably a good way to learn how not to punctuate sentences: Reasoning with vampires is a hilarious blog that corrects a lot of the grammatical/punctuation errors in the novels, and there are a lot.

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flowrs4ophelia January 10 2011, 03:53:24 UTC
Yeah, I was going to say...I bet you can find a bunch of violations of these rules in the Twilight books themselves. LOL.

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