I didn't get angry, but probably because I didn't really pay too close attention. It all did seem pretty much like one long set-up for next episode, which I don't know if I'm dreading or looking forward to. Leaning toward the former at the moment, because, well, and I know this makes me a "bad fan", but Steve-hurt kind of bores me for some reason.
Perhaps because instead of broadening the other core three's backgrounds, TPTB seem to just employ the "make everything that's not Steve-related surface and add more players" method of showrunning and I don't get it.
Wow, that's a first, but seeing as I'm a non-American person I think I'm a little more detached, but I'm still involved enough to see the problems with this episode
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I hope I maybe could articulate some of what's been bothering you about it
I think my friend bookwurm nailed it in her comment when she said, "Then it turned into a jingoistic, anti-Islamic train wreck with a side of borderline-exploitation of wounded veterans."
As for the Patriot Act defending attack ad that made up the rest of the ep .... *sigh* it's just another of those examples of TPTB being too heavy-handed in their approach to any kind of sensitive topic
I think this episode had the potential to be really good, if it had been done as an episode of another show that had better writers. As it is, I think they wrote Steve's "America is the greatest country on earth" speeches first and then tried to construct an episode around them.
I thought the actress portraying Dawn did an exceptional jobAs did I. I was very impressed with her, which ironically led to another problem I had with this episode. I hated the way Steve talked to Dawn. She was just as much a militant believer in the cause as anyone Steve would have met in Afghanistan, but
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I wholeheartedly agree about the quote, couldn't have said it better. I think it's what chafes us most about these episodes - that they have the potential (and considering the talent on the show, they also have very much the means) to be exceptional. But the writer's room as always seem to be stuck on making a mess out of current, important, sensitive issues. I think I might be onto something with that lone intelligent and polit-savvy writer pitching these things and then the execs get their hands on it and turn it to pulp. It just feels that way every time they pick up an issue like that and then proceed to spend the whole episode showing that THEY DON'T GET IT. Ah well
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I never got into LOTR fic either. I can't even honestly say I'm into Hobbit fic. The story I'm reading now got recced in the Kili tag on Tumblr and I decided to look it over to see if it was any good, and yes, yes it was. It's also nearly 230,000 words long, so I made it into an e-book and stuck it on my Nook so I could read it on the go. There's no way I could sit in front of the computer for 230,000 words.
Wow. I watched the first third to a half of this episode wondering what about it made you so angry. It wasn't great, but it wasn't any worse than an average episode this season. Then it turned into a jingoistic, anti-Islamic train wreck with a side of borderline-exploitation of wounded veterans.
I'll finish out the season, but I think it's becoming increasingly obvious that I am not the demographic wanted by TPTB for this show.
Then it turned into a jingoistic, anti-Islamic train wreck with a side of borderline-exploitation of wounded veterans.Yes! This was my problem, only I was too angry and had too many words about it trying to get out and they all logjammed in my head. I swear Steve's "America is the greatest country on earth" speeches were the first things written, and then they tried to construct an episode around them. They weren't even good speeches. Nothing either Steve or Dawn said was insightful or well-argued. It sounded like they were both just spouting propaganda. And it's not like they didn't have time to include some well-reasoned arguments. The episode ran so short it needed two epilogues
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All of the above. This was the worst episode I remember so far. I skipped so many bits, just because they were dumb, and I do not appreciate being treated like a simplistic idiot. All of the things I liked to start with are disappearing. But you know what? The fic is still here! And the best fic was always so much better. Where the hell to they get their writers from?!?
Ugh. It's like they weren't even trying. You know what I think this show really needs? A female writer or two on staff full time.
All of the things I liked about the show have already disappeared. I just keep hanging around because they have the potential to come back; however, my faith in TPTB's ability to fix this show has almost completely eroded.
I don't even remember the last time I saw a good fic. Fortunately I still have a stash of older stuff I never got around to at the time.
This episode made me angry too. Difficult to explain in my language, impossible in english. For simplify: propaganda. However I saw very worst in NCIS and other shows. About Steve and Danny I think that writers can't put them toghether (it will be the end of the show) and so they try to put some kind of tension between them. Sorry for my english
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Perhaps because instead of broadening the other core three's backgrounds, TPTB seem to just employ the "make everything that's not Steve-related surface and add more players" method of showrunning and I don't get it.
Not that I'm bitter.
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I'm not looking forward to it because we already saw this episode back when Steve went to North Korea.
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I think my friend bookwurm nailed it in her comment when she said, "Then it turned into a jingoistic, anti-Islamic train wreck with a side of borderline-exploitation of wounded veterans."
As for the Patriot Act defending attack ad that made up the rest of the ep .... *sigh* it's just another of those examples of TPTB being too heavy-handed in their approach to any kind of sensitive topic
I think this episode had the potential to be really good, if it had been done as an episode of another show that had better writers. As it is, I think they wrote Steve's "America is the greatest country on earth" speeches first and then tried to construct an episode around them.
I thought the actress portraying Dawn did an exceptional jobAs did I. I was very impressed with her, which ironically led to another problem I had with this episode. I hated the way Steve talked to Dawn. She was just as much a militant believer in the cause as anyone Steve would have met in Afghanistan, but ( ... )
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I'll finish out the season, but I think it's becoming increasingly obvious that I am not the demographic wanted by TPTB for this show.
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All of the things I liked about the show have already disappeared. I just keep hanging around because they have the potential to come back; however, my faith in TPTB's ability to fix this show has almost completely eroded.
I don't even remember the last time I saw a good fic. Fortunately I still have a stash of older stuff I never got around to at the time.
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For simplify: propaganda. However I saw very worst in NCIS and other shows.
About Steve and Danny I think that writers can't put them toghether (it will be the end of the show) and so they try to put some kind of tension between them.
Sorry for my english
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