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Extracting from comments at http://thesaker.is/the-causality-of-rotten-fruits/ few thoughts on the Holocaust for the archival purposes.
Dhunidas on February 28, 2017 · at 1:46 pm UTC
The Russians I have met appear not to be steeped in the holocaust narrative. This came as a pleasant surprise to me (and my sample of Russian friends may not be representative). The holocaust is a ‘gospel truth’ in Europe, Australia and North America.
Everyone in ‘the West’ is deeply affected by the narrative; gentile and Jew it matters not - there is a ‘Pavlovian response’ - a physical and psychological reaction of revulsion at any expression of doubt about its veracity. This is the lynchpin lie in an anti-human agenda where turkeys vote for Christmas and Thanksgiving.
CalDre on February 28, 2017 · at 6:46 pm UTC
“The Russians I have met appear not to be steeped in the holocaust narrative.” Agreed, they are not as conditioned on the topic as people in the West. No, the Holocaust is not central to the Russian WW II narrative - but what is central is the narrative of The Man of Steel defeating the most horrific human in history. If Russians were to admit that the worst that Hitler was to do to his greatest enemies, ones that (in Hitler’s mind) had brought such utter depravation and destruction to Germany, was to expel them (even when killing them would have been child’s play, the millions of survivors notwithstanding)- well, all of a sudden the paranoid narrative that Hitler desired to exterminate all Slavs also falls apart. As does the narrative that Hitler was in any way worse than Stalin. And both of these narratives are quite central in the Russian psyche.
“Pavlovian response“. Aye, lad, I’ve use the exact same description!
Let me follow on this "appear not to be steeped" as a Russian (not representing all of us, of course).
Holocaust… It was said that 6 million Jews perished. Awful. No doubt, that is awful.
Then, the USSR losses are estimated 10-15 and even 20 or sometimes 25 millions.
I am not here to challenge or approve those figures, i just take the mainstream ones. Challenging them would easily turn into a “race for being most victimized”.
BTW, there also are Gypsies who were targeted, the third group - but they are overlooked and forgot too.
However, we may notice, that the mainstream, officially blessed narrative is that there were more USSR citizens perished, than European Jews.
However there is an obvious Russophobia (despite bigger losses) and reverence towards Jews (despite lesser losses). To the point that i think it is part of biological instinct of species competing for the same niche. The mere admission of USSR losses would dim the glory of Holocaust. It would no more be something exceptional. Hence Jews would cease being exceptional. Many Jews would be frustrated by the very idea of it. But there are other Jews too.
I guess everyone heard that Russian barbarians raped… what, millions of Berlin women? I wonder if there were so many in 1945 Berlin, probably Russian barbarians moved all German fraus to Berlin for the forced orgy. Now try to say that Jews raped not millions but merely hundreds or even dozens of Berlin fraus? Anyone heard such a story promoted?
So this narrative pushes it down to that simple idea: the person only is civilized, when he considers USSR casualties as a "natural" zoological process where “animals (subhumans is no more trendy term) clawed other animals” and when he considers Holocaust as “unprecedented and enraging case of animals mass-killing humans”. So the larger USSR causalities are just written off, struck out - to leave the room for reigning of the said 6 millions.
Well, now how should i then see the obvious emerged cult of Holocaust victims ( they were real victims and no matter what estimation should there be - very many they were ) ? As an instrument to write off my pain and my loss. And then why should i adore and worship that instrument?
All in all, i see the memory of Nazi victims as a continuous and joint funeral. There are people, all around the world, who came together in that sad night of 8/9 May 1945, they set their joint campfire, and started the joint mourning of their joint losses.
Then the political Jews stood up and said like “You do not mourn our relatives, our losses the proper way. You can not mourn enough. We are taking our perished ones’ remains to a separate campfire where we would do the proper mourning!”.
Were those Jews in their right to do it? Absolutely so! Those were their losses and their dear ones and i am in no position to tell them how to cry for them.
…Just they willfully and intentionally left our joint all-the-Earth campfire to pursue their individual activity of mourning. They willfully and intentionally left our mourning. That was their willful and intentional choice, to separate their deads from our deads. They did this separation and they absolutely had all the rights to do so.
Just now they drop in to demand that i mourn over their losses before my losses and that is an absurd demand. I do mourn every Jew targeted by Nazi and hurt by them. Absolutely every one of them. But that goes after i cry and weep for all OUR JOINT lost dear ones.
I do not expect political Jews to cry for my losses more than they cry for theirs or even to cry equally. I perfectly understand they see their pain as more important for them than our joint pain. And i absolutely and totally agree with their intentional and willful take on that.
However for me, whose choice was and is different, who choses to sit with all the nations of the Earth at our joint campfire and cry together over our joint losses, - this p-Jews-built “queue” of victims starts from another end. I go down the same p-Jews-built queue from the other end of it, and first i meet and cry for our world-wide joint losses, and then i meet and cry then for Jewish ones: just like p-Jews do starting with their end of this their queue and going, hopefully, towards our international campfire.
Dhunidas on February 28, 2017 · at 1:46 pm UTC
The Russians I have met appear not to be steeped in the holocaust narrative. This came as a pleasant surprise to me (and my sample of Russian friends may not be representative). The holocaust is a ‘gospel truth’ in Europe, Australia and North America.
Everyone in ‘the West’ is deeply affected by the narrative; gentile and Jew it matters not - there is a ‘Pavlovian response’ - a physical and psychological reaction of revulsion at any expression of doubt about its veracity. This is the lynchpin lie in an anti-human agenda where turkeys vote for Christmas and Thanksgiving.
CalDre on February 28, 2017 · at 6:46 pm UTC
“The Russians I have met appear not to be steeped in the holocaust narrative.” Agreed, they are not as conditioned on the topic as people in the West. No, the Holocaust is not central to the Russian WW II narrative - but what is central is the narrative of The Man of Steel defeating the most horrific human in history. If Russians were to admit that the worst that Hitler was to do to his greatest enemies, ones that (in Hitler’s mind) had brought such utter depravation and destruction to Germany, was to expel them (even when killing them would have been child’s play, the millions of survivors notwithstanding)- well, all of a sudden the paranoid narrative that Hitler desired to exterminate all Slavs also falls apart. As does the narrative that Hitler was in any way worse than Stalin. And both of these narratives are quite central in the Russian psyche.
“Pavlovian response“. Aye, lad, I’ve use the exact same description!
Let me follow on this "appear not to be steeped" as a Russian (not representing all of us, of course).
Holocaust… It was said that 6 million Jews perished. Awful. No doubt, that is awful.
Then, the USSR losses are estimated 10-15 and even 20 or sometimes 25 millions.
I am not here to challenge or approve those figures, i just take the mainstream ones. Challenging them would easily turn into a “race for being most victimized”.
BTW, there also are Gypsies who were targeted, the third group - but they are overlooked and forgot too.
However, we may notice, that the mainstream, officially blessed narrative is that there were more USSR citizens perished, than European Jews.
However there is an obvious Russophobia (despite bigger losses) and reverence towards Jews (despite lesser losses). To the point that i think it is part of biological instinct of species competing for the same niche. The mere admission of USSR losses would dim the glory of Holocaust. It would no more be something exceptional. Hence Jews would cease being exceptional. Many Jews would be frustrated by the very idea of it. But there are other Jews too.
I guess everyone heard that Russian barbarians raped… what, millions of Berlin women? I wonder if there were so many in 1945 Berlin, probably Russian barbarians moved all German fraus to Berlin for the forced orgy. Now try to say that Jews raped not millions but merely hundreds or even dozens of Berlin fraus? Anyone heard such a story promoted?
So this narrative pushes it down to that simple idea: the person only is civilized, when he considers USSR casualties as a "natural" zoological process where “animals (subhumans is no more trendy term) clawed other animals” and when he considers Holocaust as “unprecedented and enraging case of animals mass-killing humans”. So the larger USSR causalities are just written off, struck out - to leave the room for reigning of the said 6 millions.
Well, now how should i then see the obvious emerged cult of Holocaust victims ( they were real victims and no matter what estimation should there be - very many they were ) ? As an instrument to write off my pain and my loss. And then why should i adore and worship that instrument?
All in all, i see the memory of Nazi victims as a continuous and joint funeral. There are people, all around the world, who came together in that sad night of 8/9 May 1945, they set their joint campfire, and started the joint mourning of their joint losses.
Then the political Jews stood up and said like “You do not mourn our relatives, our losses the proper way. You can not mourn enough. We are taking our perished ones’ remains to a separate campfire where we would do the proper mourning!”.
Were those Jews in their right to do it? Absolutely so! Those were their losses and their dear ones and i am in no position to tell them how to cry for them.
…Just they willfully and intentionally left our joint all-the-Earth campfire to pursue their individual activity of mourning. They willfully and intentionally left our mourning. That was their willful and intentional choice, to separate their deads from our deads. They did this separation and they absolutely had all the rights to do so.
Just now they drop in to demand that i mourn over their losses before my losses and that is an absurd demand. I do mourn every Jew targeted by Nazi and hurt by them. Absolutely every one of them. But that goes after i cry and weep for all OUR JOINT lost dear ones.
I do not expect political Jews to cry for my losses more than they cry for theirs or even to cry equally. I perfectly understand they see their pain as more important for them than our joint pain. And i absolutely and totally agree with their intentional and willful take on that.
However for me, whose choice was and is different, who choses to sit with all the nations of the Earth at our joint campfire and cry together over our joint losses, - this p-Jews-built “queue” of victims starts from another end. I go down the same p-Jews-built queue from the other end of it, and first i meet and cry for our world-wide joint losses, and then i meet and cry then for Jewish ones: just like p-Jews do starting with their end of this their queue and going, hopefully, towards our international campfire.