Albus Obliviated Filius! I suppose he feared he couldn't lean on him as much as he can on the Weasleys? Did he Obliviate Severus too, or would that be handicapping his spy too much?
(grin) After your last two drabbles, I was really *expecting* an Obliviate, Confundus, or something of the kind at the end. I'd expect him to Obliviate Severus, too... but then, Severus had the pensieve with him, and took a little extra time in the Chamber before finally coming up last, after all.
So you think Severus realized that Twinkly already knew and suppressed Voldemort's identity and expected some dirty trick now that some of the staff knew? I suppose he placed the memory in a conjured flask which he kept on his person?
If so - what will Severus do with the memory? Show Lucius? Hmm, Lucius is supposed to show up at Hogwarts the moment he hears Dumbles is back. I wonder if that confrontation works any differently in this AU-verse.
I was only thinking that Severus might well have decided to create a memory backup for *himself*, in case Dumbledore Obliviated him. What he might do afterwards... is something else.
I was just thinking that it's somewhat odd that Severus doesn't have his own Pensieve, but then I realized... our reason for thinking that he doesn't is that in OotP, he's using Dumbledore's pensieve. And we know it's Dumbledore's, not Severus', because it's introduced with: Harry recognized it at once -- Dumbledore's Pensieve. Wondering what on earth it was doing here [...]
Because Harry recognized it as a Pensieve, and it looked like Dumbledore's, it must be the same one he saw before. He got as far as wondering why Dumbledore's pensieve would be in Severus' office, but not as far as wondering how different different pensieves would look.
So frankly, Severus could indeed have his own pensieve, and Harry would have just assumed that there was only one in the school.
So frankly, Severus could indeed have his own pensieve, and Harry would have just assumed that there was only one in the school.
OTOH from what Lucius says to Harry at the ministry in OOTP it seems Voldemort wasn't aware of the concept of a Pensieve. Supposedly the assumption was that Dumbledore told Harry about the existence of the prophecy and Harry would come to the DOM to hear the original record himself. Since Harry never heard of the prophecy until then he didn't realize the significance of the images of the DOM he received from Voldemort and a different tactic was needed to lure him there. But surely Voldemort should have realized Harry could get the original memory from Dumbles via Pensieve? Or did Voldemort assume Harry wouldn't raise the question directly? Because if Voldemort didn't know about Pensieves then they must be extremely rare items.
I wonder how Albus handled this version of events after the fact. Since Minerva involved the entire staff and the Ministry he couldn't hide what they all knew - that the monster was a basilisk and that it was in some underground chamber connected to the bathroom. It seems the only detail Filius forgot was the identity of the diary/simulacrum. However Harry wrote in that same diary earlier in the year. If Harry was present when Filius and Severus were being debriefed, did he mention his own history with the diary? Perhaps not after the dressing down he got already from both Minerva and Severus about all the information he did not mention in time. Or he may have confessed it because he already confessed to so many instants of keeping information to himself that yet another one wouldn't make a difference. If Harry admitted such knowledge that perhaps would be a reason to leave him for a personal debriefing after the teachers left. If Albus Obliviates the teachers but not Harry how does he prevent the discrepancy in their knowledge of the
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Re: Can ghosts be Obliviated?oryx_leucoryxAugust 23 2010, 05:36:10 UTC
Myrtle remembered how she died, but either never reported or didn't remember anything between her death and her haunting of Olive Hornby. But then, she never volunteered the story of her death until she was asked specifically. Was she not aware of any similarity between the events of 1992-3 and the time of her death?
Nick of course was petrified for most of the year, but even so, he had about a month and a half from Halloween until his petrification to comment that such events had happened some 50 years previously.
Maybe ghosts can't provide pertinent information until asked directly :) (But in GOF and HBP Myrtle is a bit more forth-coming, isn't she?)
Obliviation, etc.lynn_waterfallSeptember 4 2010, 08:13:58 UTC
Do you think that all of the Petrified victims were carefully Obliviated (except Hermione), so that they wouldn't remember seeing Ginny? People certainly did expect the victims to be able to tell who it was. Lockhart has that line that the first thing the victims would say when they were revived was that it was Hagrid, and following McGonagall's announcement that the Mandrakes were ready, Ron says "It won’t matter that we never asked Myrtle, then" and Ginny is finally nervous enough to almost say something to someone (namely Harry
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(grin) After your last two drabbles, I was really *expecting* an Obliviate, Confundus, or something of the kind at the end. I'd expect him to Obliviate Severus, too... but then, Severus had the pensieve with him, and took a little extra time in the Chamber before finally coming up last, after all.
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If so - what will Severus do with the memory? Show Lucius? Hmm, Lucius is supposed to show up at Hogwarts the moment he hears Dumbles is back. I wonder if that confrontation works any differently in this AU-verse.
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I was just thinking that it's somewhat odd that Severus doesn't have his own Pensieve, but then I realized... our reason for thinking that he doesn't is that in OotP, he's using Dumbledore's pensieve. And we know it's Dumbledore's, not Severus', because it's introduced with: Harry recognized it at once -- Dumbledore's Pensieve. Wondering what on earth it was doing here [...]
Because Harry recognized it as a Pensieve, and it looked like Dumbledore's, it must be the same one he saw before. He got as far as wondering why Dumbledore's pensieve would be in Severus' office, but not as far as wondering how different different pensieves would look.
So frankly, Severus could indeed have his own pensieve, and Harry would have just assumed that there was only one in the school.
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OTOH from what Lucius says to Harry at the ministry in OOTP it seems Voldemort wasn't aware of the concept of a Pensieve. Supposedly the assumption was that Dumbledore told Harry about the existence of the prophecy and Harry would come to the DOM to hear the original record himself. Since Harry never heard of the prophecy until then he didn't realize the significance of the images of the DOM he received from Voldemort and a different tactic was needed to lure him there. But surely Voldemort should have realized Harry could get the original memory from Dumbles via Pensieve? Or did Voldemort assume Harry wouldn't raise the question directly? Because if Voldemort didn't know about Pensieves then they must be extremely rare items.
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Let's put it this way: it's a strong inference from canon that either they can be Obliviated, or they can be irremediably stifled.
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Nick of course was petrified for most of the year, but even so, he had about a month and a half from Halloween until his petrification to comment that such events had happened some 50 years previously.
Maybe ghosts can't provide pertinent information until asked directly :)
(But in GOF and HBP Myrtle is a bit more forth-coming, isn't she?)
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