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lareinenoire June 28 2010, 21:39:46 UTC
And even 'Victory of the Daleks' had Daleks trying to serve the Doctor tea. Which is something. ;)

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tempestsarekind June 28 2010, 21:43:17 UTC
Heh. Very good point. And he gets points for holding off a Dalek fleet with a biscuit.

(Ridiculously, I know that one of the reasons that episode gets as low a rating from me is that I'd really hoped that they wouldn't *be* Daleks--that the programming had been shorted out or something, and whether you can treat a Dalek like a Dalek if it doesn't know it is one, if it really thinks it's a machine doing its part for the war effort. Not that I would like the episode all that much without that, but the disappointment didn't help.)

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lareinenoire June 28 2010, 22:26:10 UTC
Ridiculously, I know that one of the reasons that episode gets as low a rating from me is that I'd really hoped that they wouldn't *be* Daleks--that the programming had been shorted out or something, and whether you can treat a Dalek like a Dalek if it doesn't know it is one, if it really thinks it's a machine doing its part for the war effort.

That would have been really neat! Alas, not so much. But I love that he tackled the question of 'What would X historical figure do if given a futuristic weapon and what should the Doctor do about it?' Even if it was just a poorly paced episode in general.

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tempestsarekind June 28 2010, 23:19:39 UTC
Yes--it's perfectly logical that Churchill would be all "anything to win the war"; the episode itself is just never quite where it needs to be, somehow.

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bewarethespork June 28 2010, 22:01:29 UTC
Tangent: let me know if you want Classic Who recs! :D I'll mostly rec you a whole lot of Seven serials, but I have favourites from a few of the Doctors that are on my must-rec list, so if you're interested on watching more but don't know where to start...

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tempestsarekind June 28 2010, 23:20:41 UTC
That would be really useful, actually; the combined amount of Who out there is rather daunting!

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bewarethespork June 28 2010, 23:34:14 UTC
Okay, rec time! Here are some of my favourites:

Dalek Invasion of Earth (One - though this serial is really, really long); Carnival of Monsters (Three); The Ark in Space (Four); Pyramids of Mars (Four); City of Death (Four - written by Douglas Adams!); Horror of Fang Rock (Four); The Caves of Androzani (Five); The Five Doctors (stand-in!One, Two, Three, Five and footage taken from an uncompleted Four serial); Dragonfire (Seven); Remembrance of the Daleks (Seven); The Happiness Patrol (Seven); Greatest Show in the Galaxy (Seven); Battlefield (Seven); The Curse of Fenric (Seven - if you only watch one Seven serial, this should be it!); Ghost Light (Seven - this one is confusing and takes multiple watches to understand); Survival (Seven; the final Classic Who serial).

And here are some that everyone always recs but that I either haven't seen or haven't seen in full:

An Unearthly Child (One); The War Games (Two); Inferno (Three); The Horns of Nimon (Four); Genesis of the Daleks (Four); Mark of the Rani (Six).

If you head over to doctoreleven, ( ... )

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tempestsarekind June 28 2010, 23:38:03 UTC
Ooh, thank you!

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skirmish_of_wit June 29 2010, 02:26:07 UTC
YES to all of this, as I'm sure you could have guessed I would say! I just love this Team TARDIS so very much; they're brilliant and they make me want to just hug them all. In fact, now I want to go back and watch all of the Confidentials, none of which I've seen because I only ever watched them in the past because I'm a David Tennant fangirl and thought I wouldn't find them interesting. Then again, I didn't think I would find the show interesting without him either, and clearly I was very wrong about that. So very wrong.

I know that this season wasn't perfect, but OMG it was so close.

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tempestsarekind June 30 2010, 02:30:46 UTC
Ha, I watched the first episode of this season's Confidential yesterday because I was seriously feeling Doctor Who withdrawal pains. (Matt Smith is adorable in the readthrough, because he keeps leaning across Karen Gillan to reach Caitlin Blackwood during their dialogue together. Also, he cheers like Kermit the Frog.) I stopped watching Confidential a while back (except for special ones, like the Pompeii episode), because so much of it seemed to be devoted to the Mill and CGI, but I've watched a couple of the Confidentials for this season--mostly because people keep posting about Matt and Karen and sometimes Arthur being goofy and cute.

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faeriemaiden June 29 2010, 03:17:12 UTC
I am so with you on the gleeful flailing! I just... can barely even believe this happened. My show made me happy all the way through! While I was mildly disappointed in some parts I did not experience blinding, nauseating rage! (...This should not be on the check-list. THANKS A LOT, RTD.) And now I just want to start over from the beginning and bask in the knowledge that I needn't worry, and look for clues and foreshadowing ( ... )

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tempestsarekind June 30 2010, 02:43:58 UTC
And I didn't know how badly my heart needed Eleven and his kindness until I got it.

Heavens, yes. While I am pretty sure that there are some fairly large plot issues with "The Beast Below" (the whale eats people, what?) I'm always going to have a soft spot for it because it establishes that kindness so thoroughly. After a Doctor who had to be told to express sympathy to another being who had lost her entire race, it is so, so lovely to have a Doctor who croons at people and plies them with tea when they're sick.

Plus, oh, that episode is lovely to look at--as the season as a whole has been (as you point out).

I still think that the combination of Steven Moffat and Neil Gaiman is a thing I made up in my head, a little bit. The picture helped, though. :)

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