Do the States have the right to be wrong?

Aug 24, 2010 08:51

It's a question that has perplexed philosophers, theologians and scientists for thousands of years ( Read more... )

abortion, states

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telemann August 24 2010, 17:34:47 UTC
I definitely like Carl Sagan's analysis of abortion, he gave both sides a fair shake in it. And btw, he came down on the side of Roe v. Wade in how to decide a point in which the state has a right to protect the unborn and protect the rights of the mother, as contradictory as that sounds.

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drcruel August 25 2010, 11:28:42 UTC
That's because Sagan was an atheist.

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fizzyland August 24 2010, 19:11:41 UTC
Now I'll have to look that up. I do know when I was younger, Cosmos was very motivating for me to get a science education so I give Carl a lot of credit for inspiring a greater sense of wonder about the vast universe we inhabit.

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eracerhead August 24 2010, 18:11:20 UTC
An appendix is a living thing. I believe that the appendix is where the soul resides, therefore we must inform each and every appendectomy candidate of this fact.

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the_rukh August 24 2010, 19:18:25 UTC
Well I haven't seen any proof against it, it must be protected!!

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Imagine the horror... sophia_sadek August 24 2010, 23:56:27 UTC
... of all of those murdered appendices! I feel like taking a photo of one of them and parading in front of the medical center with the indignance of a flat-earth illiterate.

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sgiffy August 24 2010, 19:29:35 UTC
Pythagorean Greeks, early Christian church fathers, Talmudic rabbis, Sunni and Shia thinkers, Hindu brahmin and modern bioethicists have grappled with the fundamental, ultimately unknowable, mystery: At what point in our biological development are we infused with a soul?

Baptism. Before that kill away.

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gunslnger August 24 2010, 21:11:58 UTC
So we can abort atheists? Excellent.

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sgiffy August 24 2010, 21:15:04 UTC
Sure once you develop a tool to divine the religious affiliation of fetuses and those without language.

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gunslnger August 24 2010, 21:32:19 UTC
I meant adult ones.

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rogerdr August 24 2010, 22:00:49 UTC
Since when are fetuses "separate"? One could argue for "living", but even "unique" is suspect while they are necessarily attached to their mothers. They should by rights be thought of as dependent entities unable to live separately, at least until the fuzzy time when they do become separately viable, if not 18 years old.

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foolsguinea August 25 2010, 05:52:04 UTC
Well, yeah, they are distinct genetically. They're dependent, obligate even, but they are distinct as well. But if they're not viable separately, they're not separable persons under the law; most pro-lifers don't accept that.

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anadinboy August 24 2010, 22:37:40 UTC
im an atheist who hates abortion. Both the women who have them and the doctors who perform them are getting a sick sexual thrill from the process. At the very least its a form of munchausens syndrome by proxy.

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chron_job August 25 2010, 16:43:50 UTC
The two "y"s come to mine...

either irony, or crazy

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drcruel August 25 2010, 11:30:12 UTC
>>its a form of munchausens syndrome by proxy

No, its (sic) not.

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