Wow

Nov 19, 2015 20:04

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34873057So...the Donald doesn't object to a database to assist monitoring Muslims. Is there a constitutional amendment that deals with this? Is it possible to be on other lists too? Could, for example, one be on the Muslim database, and the gun-owner's database, or are they mutually exclusive? Or is it ( Read more... )

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mahnmut November 19 2015, 20:18:18 UTC
Imagine, a forensic cross-reference between the "Muslim database" and the "Wants infidels dead database". Finding the bad guys would be just within a click's reach, hey!

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johnny9fingers November 19 2015, 20:54:14 UTC
I keep on forgetting who the bad guys are atm.

Remind me please. Please.

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mahnmut November 19 2015, 21:30:07 UTC
The Truth(TM) will set you free. Only, I forgot what the Truth was.

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luzribeiro November 19 2015, 20:19:28 UTC
Well, it was the Donald who said the world was a safer place with Saddam and Gaddafi in it, and openly admired Putin for the great leader he is. Like sniffs alike from afar, you know.

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johnny9fingers November 19 2015, 20:55:49 UTC
However, even Vladimir, for all of his other sins, hasn't gone as far as putting folk on a list because of their religion.

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luvdovz November 19 2015, 20:20:19 UTC
He's quite the stinker this one, isn't he.

I hope he gets elected president. If only for the shits'n'giggles. It's not like it really matters who's president anyway.

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johnny9fingers November 19 2015, 20:59:43 UTC
I once thought that, and then htpcl reminded me en passant that under Clinton, Blair was still a good guy, but under Bush, he became a war criminal.

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luvdovz November 19 2015, 21:32:14 UTC
Just makes you wonder what Cameron would change into under Trump. Him currently being just an average wanker doesn't seem likely to remain the case under those new circumstances.

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johnny9fingers November 19 2015, 21:36:44 UTC
It is a worry.

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ddstory November 19 2015, 20:21:39 UTC
I really like your rhetorical questions. ;)

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johnny9fingers November 19 2015, 21:00:13 UTC
But they still require answers. :(

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ddstory November 19 2015, 21:33:16 UTC
You've already, ehm... asked the answers.

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johnny9fingers November 19 2015, 21:36:08 UTC
Ah...but there are experts on the constitution out there who can refute the questions.

And I really need to hear from them.

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oportet November 19 2015, 21:45:03 UTC
I'd assume this list already exist. I assume plenty of lists like it exist. Hell, I bet we're on a list - at least one.

I don't think we can make it official though.

'Not ruling it out' is a pretty smart move, but I'd still love to hear the speech...

"I make the best lists. I'll make the most incredible Muslim list ever. Everyone knows I make the greatest databases. Did you see the new poll that just came out? Muslims love me. 96.4% of them."

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johnny9fingers November 19 2015, 21:54:07 UTC
I'm on a few lists, I guess. I'm rather hoping they are all lists I'd be proud to be on.

If Roops has a list of folk anti his media empire, I'd hope I was on that one, even if only in a minor way. And I'm pretty sure the Security Forces in the UK know about me...I'm chums with a couple of their folk, despite our differences. But I've taken the trouble to knowingly put myself between their cross-hairs.

However, the US has a celebrated constitution which guarantees freedom of religion, without state interference. It isn't like Blighty in that respect.

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oportet November 19 2015, 22:39:39 UTC
Making a list of people in a religion wouldn't be prohibiting them from exercising that religion.

The respecting part - well, if we assume the founders meant that as in the government not being able to single out a religion - this would be what you're looking for that would keep the list from being made. But they could make a list for every religion, or put a religion question on the census - to get around that. Politicians will find a way.

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mikeyxw November 20 2015, 03:05:47 UTC
It would probably be seen as discriminatory and frowned upon. Also, I doubt the US government could put together such a list accurately by themselves. If they really want this kind of info, they should nationalize Facebook, Google, or some other company that probably already has this information. It'd probably be cheaper.

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