Murdering heathen infidels of the gay sort - is that what it has come down to?

[dreamville_bg]

First, the incident in a nutshell. A girl of the age of 16 was stabbed at a gay pride march in Jerusalem by an ultra-Orthodox Jew, and then died from her wounds. Another five people were wounded in the assault last Thursday. The perpetrator, Yishai Shlissel, has had a previous track record of similar assaults, having stabbed three people at a

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[mahnmut]

Welcome to the beautiful world of religious piety. We have cookies and kosher. And the occasional dagger.

[geezer_also]

Since he spent 10 years in jail for a previous offense, and probably will again, I wouldn't call it a societal trend; which I inferred you were implying.

I'm not sure what you are implying about Lev Tahor and their influence on Canadian society.

"Evidently, the separation of church and state principle counts for nothing for these people."
Which people? How many countries have a separation of church and state principle?

[dreamville_bg]

Last I checked, Israel was one. In fact Netanyahu said just that in his public address after the incident. He also said the Israeli society cannot afford to allow a few people to dictate their views to the rest through violence. You know, that same Netanyahu who actively pandered to those same Orthodox Jews during the recent election campaign.

At which point does the occasional act become a pattern that can be called a trend? And does it matter what you call it? Is that the most important thing? It's not like this is the only case, is it? (I've provided links for your convenience; I could refer you to Google for more upon request).

[geezer_also]

My point is not necessarily whether it is a trend, but that if there are laws against it, whether they are enforced. I have a bigger problem for places where there are no laws against practices that we in the West might find abhorrent such as child brides or genital mutilation; not to mention countries where there is a death penalty for being homosexual.

Contrary to the belief of some, I am aware of some of the things that happen in other places in the world, and I know that while there are laws against some of what goes on in the ultra orthodox community (especially in Jerusalem) are met with a blind eye.

My biggest problem is that a number of people in this community seem to think that Israel is a Jewish Nation in the same sense that Iran (among others) is an Islamic nation. While it is quite possible that when even a few Fundamentalists get power, it is merely the start of the slippery slope to Religious rule; I doubt it's any more likely than all the slippery slopes that we on the right like to point out ;)

[dreamville_bg]

"My point is not necessarily whether it is a trend

[oportet]

Your last paragraph was spot on - but couldn't it, shouldn't it, also/instead be directed at another religion?

ISIS just threw a couple of gay guys off a roof. People brought their children out to watch like it was the fucking circus.

What happened in Isreal was terrible - but at least they were having a Gay Pride march. I won't disagree that they are backwards, but is anyone else in the neighborhood hosting gay rallies?

[luzribeiro]

Being terrible in a given respect, and having a neighbor who's much more terrible than you are in that same respect, does not negate even one bit of your own terribleness in same respect.

[oportet]

I know it doesn't negate it. I'm not trying to excuse what happened, but doesn't it make sense to confront threats to your cause, no matter what your cause is, based on how threatening they are?

[luzribeiro]

When there's a threat, you confront them. That's it. It shouldn't matter if the threat is big, biggish, somewhat-big, or gargantuan.

From what I'm learning from the links that are getting posted on this thread, the threat of religious zealotry in Israel is rather rampant. In fact much more so than most people suspect or would like to believe.

[htpcl]

But, but, atheism was supposed to be immoral...

[geezer_also]

Actually, I'd say amoral ;)

[htpcl]

I knew I had gotten something wrong about my moral compass! Thanks for bringing me back to the righteous path, comrade!

[airiefairie]

Do you think atheists do not have morality?

[underlankers]

The bitter irony is that a state founded by Godless Socialists and Communists and refugees from same who survived fascism is now falling into the same religious fanaticism wave as all its neighbors. And unlike Muslim or Christian or Buddhist fanatics, Jewish ones are cowards who throw acid in women's faces and let prisoners out of jail to pull a Henry II and prefer to get the still mostly secular IDF in trouble for inflammatory actions and statements that they, for a change, actually didn't do but still gets them killed. There's a special Hell for people who combine fanaticism, laziness, and cowardice.