But let's examine where all this homophobia thingy comes from

[luzribeiro]

As irrational as that particular brand of fear and hatred my be, some may've occasionally done the futile exercise of attempting to comprehend where it's coming from - against the advice of all past experience from encounters with bigots. Well, after a somewhat thorough sifting through tons of disgusting and outright nauseating displays of pure

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[kylinrouge]

I'd like to stick to gay marriage, since most of the other points are fairly hyperbolic and are espoused, at least publicly, by no relevant politician.

3 and 6: This one at least sounds like an argument they are making. Gotta appeal to that evangelist base.

15 and 16: All other things being equal, it's better for kids to be raised by their biological parents. Having a male and female parental figure is probably ideal as well. Above all however, I'd say having a stable home environment with two parental figures is better than anything else, regardless of gender makeup or blood. I would take adoption by any two stable people over a single parent.

17. I don't know what you mean by this.

The most important talking point we'll hear for a while will probably be States' Rights. The court went over the state governments, and most measures to reverse this decision will probably center around this.

[htpcl]

Sounds like a convenient excuse, yep.

[luzribeiro]

most of the other points are fairly hyperbolic and are espoused, at least publicly, by no relevant politician

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

What I mean by 17 is that the laws of parenthood and inheritance are mostly designed to suit a traditional heterosexual family model, and there are countries and/or states making steps towards the legalization of same-sex marriage (or even having legalized it already), which are still lacking the relevant legislation to address this issue, and apply the same or similar principles to same-sex couples as well. My point is that this cannot be an obstacle, provided that the relevant legislation is adopted.

Having a male and female parental figure is probably ideal as well

What makes you say that? Would that apply to situations where one or both parents are abusive, or irresponsible, or incapable of taking care of the child?

[kylinrouge]

What I mean by 17 is that the laws of parenthood and inheritance are mostly designed to suit a traditional heterosexual family model, and there are countries and/or states making steps towards the legalization of same-sex marriage (or even having legalized it already), which are still lacking the relevant legislation to address this issue, and apply the same or similar principles to same-sex couples as well. My point is that this cannot be an obstacle, provided that the relevant legislation is adopted.

I just don't understand what the difference is between same sex couple adoption and heterosexual couple adoption. Don't they run into the same fatherhood topics?

What makes you say that? Would that apply to situations where one or both parents are abusive, or irresponsible, or incapable of taking care of the child?

No, that's why I specified "all other things being equal".

[htpcl]

Well, at least there's some variety of pseudo-arguments over there. Here, it mostly boils down to, EEEWWW GAYS!

[yes_justice]

[yes_justice]

Actually, she does have representation:

[htpcl]

Is that... a sword in the background!?

[oportet]

It isn't simply disagreeing with something - there is some kind of desire to have control over other peoples lives present.

I think mayonnaise is disgusting, but I'm not leading the charge to have it taken off the shelves -

[nairiporter]

I agree. This isn't just about tastes. It is about control.

[kylinrouge]

The only thing I like mayo on is my pelmeni

[luvdovz]

Now you're talkin', comrade!

[sandwichwarrior]

Counter thought.

Why does the concept of marriage marriage even exist? What purpose does it serve? And why do governments waste millions of dollars on benefits and tax incentives to perpetuate it? In other words, why care?

Is it a religious/moral issue? a legal issue or a utilitarian one?

[luzribeiro]

Even more interestingly, if marriage did not exist, would you invent it?

[sandwichwarrior]

To what purpose?

Organized monogamy (or limited polyamory) makes a lot of sense when it comes to reproduction / child rearing standpoint or limiting the spread of STDs, so it is understandable that societies would develop such institutions.

But if those issues are no longer a concern the whole concept of marriage seems superfluous.

[luzribeiro]

So: yes or no?