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yes_justice October 23 2012, 01:10:27 UTC
Nice! Let's remake the middle east in our image!

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telemann October 24 2012, 12:25:39 UTC
Are those Jazz hands? :-)

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underlankers October 25 2012, 12:35:50 UTC
Nope, actually, it's a magical gesture in Onmyoji, a type of Japanese sorcery. The character here is the Japanese cultural equivalent of Count Dracula.

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sandwichwarrior October 24 2012, 15:48:34 UTC
Not the ideal no.

But compare quality of life for an average citizen in the Phillipines or Singapore to the quality of life of an average citizen in Malayasia or Indonesia, and then tell me that Americanization/Anglikazation was a bad thing.

Likewise if the UN/US had not intervined in Korea, South Korea would be part of North Korea and I find it hard to believe that you would consider being forced to prostrate one's self before the "Dear Leader" to be an improvement over Imperialism.

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dwer October 24 2012, 15:57:01 UTC
we have no idea what North Korea would be like had they not been a pawn in the Cold War.

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sandwichwarrior October 25 2012, 00:17:16 UTC
Realistically, the best case scenario is that they would have ended up as a smaller poorer version of modern China.

Which is still a sub-par result when compared to the current state of (non-hypothetical) South Korea.

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dwer October 25 2012, 01:47:05 UTC
or, maybe as more of a powerhouse in the middle east, they might have competed with Japan much earlier.

And while current South Korea might have had it better the way things happened, North Koriea might have had it better in the hypothetical unified Korea. Families wouldn't have been separated. There's simply no way to know.

Which isn't the point anyway. We had no RIGHT to make that decision for them.

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sandwichwarrior October 25 2012, 07:28:22 UTC
How many families not split by war would instead be split by the korean version of "the great leap forward"?

Wether you realize it or not "Do we have the Right" is a fair argument and is one that carries a lot of wheight with your opponents...

Simply put the most common answers will be either that we dont have the right and we should just but out (Libertarian) or that the ability to intervine confers upon one both the right and and the obligation to intervine (Neo-Con).

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underlankers October 25 2012, 12:44:16 UTC
We did have the right to stop North Korea because it launched a transparent invasion and fought our kind of war on our terms. We would have had that right on paper in Vietnam if our army had been able to take its head out of its ass and accept that Vietnam was not the Fulda Gap and to actually plan for Vietnam's war in Vietnam.

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underlankers October 25 2012, 12:37:54 UTC
Realistically a better-case scenario is that they're Cuba during the Cold War and the Asian Cuba after it. But I don't expect someone who sincerely believes Obama is Stalin to debate this kind of thing with full depth, you, after all, missed that Malaysia was a British colony in appealing to the benefits of Anglicization.

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underlankers October 25 2012, 12:36:36 UTC
South Korea didn't get to where it is because we did anything to it, it did that by overthrowing the dictators we fostered on it. Comparing the USA to a British Colony indicates you don't understand Anglicization and what it means.

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dwer October 24 2012, 14:40:46 UTC
who what now?

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