The quake that's still shaking the Eastern world

Dec 08, 2011 22:12

Zdravstvuyte, moi tovarischi greetings, my comrades! Do you know what date it is today? December 8, 1991. Does it speak anything to you? No? Well... Look at this map.


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highly recommended, geopolitics, russia, history, east europe

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abomvubuso December 8 2011, 21:13:53 UTC
One thing I've noticed through all my interactions with Russians, especially when experienced at their own turf rather than abroad: to use such a generalisation, they're deeply spiritual and immensely intelligent, but very traumatised people. I know it's not nice, but one can't help but feel pity. And probably a little awe at their resilience.

Also they've got one of the most beautiful languages ever. Their culture is a treasure really, and probably one of the things that will keep their head above water until they reach better shores. Which they will, sooner or later.

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htpcl December 9 2011, 11:23:50 UTC
I admire your faith in people. Separate people probably deserve more faith in them, separately. But taken as a crowd, well... There are some other factors sneaking in.

That's not to say the Russians are doomed. It's to say the road for them will be as painful as it has always been.

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"Wild-wild-west style capitalism" montecristo December 8 2011, 21:15:43 UTC
You're invoking a mythology that never happened, certainly not the way dimestore novels and Hollywood imagined it.

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Re: "Wild-wild-west style capitalism" htpcl December 8 2011, 21:16:33 UTC
I've actually lived in this system, still am. I know exactly what I'm talking about when I'm using that term.

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Re: "Wild-wild-west style capitalism" luzribeiro December 8 2011, 21:25:55 UTC
Well for convenience, and to accommodate the sensitivities of our libertarian friends, let's just call it The Al Capone Style Capitalism.

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Re: "Wild-wild-west style capitalism" htpcl December 8 2011, 21:26:31 UTC
Better yet, Mutro-Baroc.

Mutra = mug. I.e., thug.

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Just imagine it happening to the US, okay? montecristo December 8 2011, 21:17:24 UTC
The thing is, it IS happening to the U.S. People are just as blind to it now as they were when it happened to the Soviet Union.

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Re: Just imagine it happening to the US, okay? htpcl December 8 2011, 21:21:54 UTC
Hey, I'm so glad this write-up has provoked so many thoughts in you! :-D

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Re: Just imagine it happening to the US, okay? montecristo December 8 2011, 21:40:15 UTC
Indeed. Unlike some of the TLDR duffers, I actually read it all and appreciate the effort it took to produce it. Keep up the good work.

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Re: Just imagine it happening to the US, okay? htpcl December 8 2011, 21:42:08 UTC
I put some pictures for the TLDR duffers. No one can ever resist Gorbie's USSR-shaped birth spot!

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luvdovz December 8 2011, 23:08:34 UTC
Let's not miss Belarus. Lukashenko may seem eternal there, but he's just Putin's puppy. He could go with a single snap of Putin's fingers and he knows it. But so far they both see more benefits from this symbiotic relationship than disadvantages. But Lukashenko should be aware by now that no-one is irreplaceable. Including Putin, by the way. A nice walk down memory lane, comrade.

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underlankers December 9 2011, 00:08:19 UTC
An awesome post. *two thumbs up.*

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htpcl December 9 2011, 00:11:45 UTC
You don't wanna play... *sniff*
I was expecting you to blow all historical points to smithereens!

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underlankers December 9 2011, 00:23:04 UTC
All the historical points are not only spot-on but they are succintly and aptly stated. If the history's done right I have no nitpicks with it. ^.^

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htpcl December 9 2011, 00:27:56 UTC
I guess it helps having lived through it personally, if only in one of the peripheral satellites. But maybe it's better this way. Many Russians today are in total denial about these realities and they prefer to look at their own society through whatever ideological prisms they've willfully imposed upon themselves. But we can't judge them for that - it's too easy to say U R doin it rrong n00b when we're detached from the actual events.

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