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underlankers October 5 2011, 20:02:52 UTC
The Temperance movement did not abolish slavery, that took four years of bloody warfare between large armies to do that. In its own time, too, Temperance had heavy shades of anti-Catholicism and xenophobia. These protests are an example, however, of a real popular movement, not the quasi-organized "grassroots" meetings preferred by both sides. Their strongest point is that they are a popular movement outside the control of either party. Their weakest point is that they are a popular movement entirely bereft of organization and with no real coherent ideology or plans of what they'd change and how they'd change things.

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meus_ovatio October 5 2011, 20:06:11 UTC
Well, there was at least the Anti-Saloon League, which succumbed to its own hubris as any movement does.

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underlankers October 5 2011, 20:21:21 UTC
Yup. Such is the fate of them who attempt Beer Hall Putsches against the Almighty Lager.

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The temperence movement... sophia_sadek October 6 2011, 16:42:22 UTC
... was the next focus of those who promoted abolition. Certainly, not all abolitionists opposed the liquor trade, but there is a direct connection between the two movements.

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jerseycajun October 5 2011, 21:04:30 UTC
Much here has to do with how the question is answered beyond the superficial.

Once you get beyond the unfairness of bailouts, the question that will divide is "what should be done about it?".

After all, I think the bailouts were wrong and unfair, but my solution and your solution will diverge in some rather significant ways, I suspect, though I'll concede there may be some overlap, up to a point.

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il_mio_gufo October 6 2011, 04:25:35 UTC
i think that, historically, the American culture {which is traditionally defined by the majority and/or those with most 'power'} prefers to make flamboyant scenes (i.e. protests) because this has been the best method at attracting attention to an issue.

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sandwichwarrior October 6 2011, 04:29:33 UTC
To answer a the question posed in the image, according to the DOD a pilot is worth 1.3 miiliion dollars and/or the permenant loss of hardware equalling the same. A pilot and or crewchief is classified as a "Class A" expendable asset which is to say that loss should only be approved in situations of "operational neccesity" as approved by a theater level commander or higher.

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sandwichwarrior October 6 2011, 04:35:15 UTC
There is currently a debate as to wether the price should be raised to account for inflation (since 2000) or lowered to account for the slow economy and increased rate of training/recruitment.

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I protest! sophia_sadek October 6 2011, 18:00:08 UTC
There is a support protest in SF that the cops are trying to dismantle. This sign shows some disgust:


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Re: I protest! allhatnocattle October 6 2011, 20:35:30 UTC
Pacific Heights?

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Re: I protest! sophia_sadek October 8 2011, 23:05:46 UTC
Financial District

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