For a long time US and Europe imposed an idea, that Russia is only a resource appendage of the world. Funny to watch now, how geopolitical process participants began to realize that resourse dependence is a double-edged sword. Yeap, its not only about gas bills. Gas drug is a management tool, a weapon. No less effective, than US info- and cyberwarfare projects or European reluctance to admit the presence of nazist's terrorist groups in Ukraine, exterminating civilians. Its kinda surprising, that Europe does not understand this
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Who exactly is Russia at war with, pray tell? Ukraine? Europe? The whole world?
Russia escalatеd the whole situation and sent mercenaries to support conflict? Nope.
That's some good denialist self-delusion right there. Suddenly, those Russian troops in Crimea who weren't "exactly Russian troops" but then turned out to be exactly that, and those pro-Russian paralimitaries in East Ukraine who are not "exactly supported by Russia" but then turn out to be exactly that... are forgotten, as if they never existed - right?
The Kremlin propaganda seems to be working perfectly, that's for sure.
Where I said "Russia at war"? Russian people at war, don't confuse. Its much harder.
Suddenly, those Russian troops in Crimea who weren't "exactly Russian troops" but then turned out to be exactly that, and those pro-Russian paralimitaries in East Ukraine who are not "exactly supported by Russia" but then turn out to be exactly that... are forgotten, as if they never existed - right?You belive, that forces, which maintain order in Crimea before it join Russian Federation, belongs to Russian Federation army? ))) That Russia will risk to unmask the whole operation by using own troops before the time for legal army operation will come? ))) Well, speculations, propaganda and guesswork really making deal. In fact, history with notorious "polite people" is much easier than you think. Or want to think, no matter
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Where I said "Russia at war"? ...but... There is no compromises at war.
The one who seems confused is yourself. There either is a war, or there isn't. You can't have it both ways. So, again, who exactly does Russia imagine itself to be at war with?
The forces "which maintain order" were Russian troops, Putin already reluctantly admitted that (after he had previously denied it several times, i.e. he was initially lying).
That Russia will risk to unmask the whole operation by using own troops before the time for legal army operation will come?Oh, so they were lying at first, so as not to unmask the whole operation, right? Then they're liars, Putin is a liar. He had been on record lying that those weren't Russian troops, and even now after he has admitted that they were, you're lying that they were merely "forces to maintain order". These troops are invaders, enforcing the annexation of another country's sovereign territory by force, expelling local people at gunpoint and appropriating the territory of a neighboring country, despite
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I open this video and didn't hear, that Putin said something about Russian troops. Everything was said by american journalist.
What exectly Putin said in ITAR TASS interview about Crimea situation, that "Russian millitary was helping Crimea self-deffence forces". So, no need to juggle: there was Local Citizans of Crimea Self-Deffence with tactics support of officers from Russian base, that legally located on the territory of Crimea. No Russian Federation troops used in maintaining order operation .
It was an adequate response to Nuland cookies. As US and EU authorities lying in discussing the whole situation, I saw no base for Putin to tell the whole truth. Time of two-way-standarts politics passed.
If you're going to keep using those fake strawman arguments, I don't see much use in continuing this conversation, do you?Never forced
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Putin was compelled to admit that after he had denied it. So: a liar.
Let's stop pretending that this is anything but a power struggle for geopolitical domination. This isn't a liberation struggle on Russia's part.
So instead of taking Kremlin's propaganda hook, line and sinker, try to transcend the one-sided story that's being presented to you by your domestic propaganda machine.
You are free to go.
Good to know at such an early stage of the conversation that you were never interested in a constructive debate in the first place.
try to transcend the one-sided story that's being presented to you by your domestic propaganda machine
Funny to hear this from American propaganda consumer )))
Let's stop pretending that this is anything but a power struggle for geopolitical domination.
Time of pretending past away. Its to time tio show, that there are more, than one player in geopolitics. All what happened in Ukraine is an answer for American attemps to create US gegemony in the world.
I understand that it is difficult for you to understand the whole situation, cause while Russian looking for information from different sources, americans limited by TV. We are laughing at fact, that americans consume only what they were treated by internal official mass-media )))
Well, its your choise. It will be veru painfull for americans to realize what really happened.
Good to know at such an early stage of the conversation that you were never interested in a constructive debate in the first place.You expecting something else after your unsubstantiated insults, ignoring
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All what happened in Ukraine is an answer for American attemps to create US gegemony in the world.
Exactly what I said. So you admit that this isn't about saving Russians, it's a response to a geopolitical challenge. Let's stop pretending that it's otherwise, as your propaganda machine would have you believe.
I'm neither American nor do I "consume" American news outlets or American TV. But nice try anyway. And I'm just going to ignore your insults, and let the moderators deal with you as they deem appropriate.
> Never forced anyone to hold a conversation, if someone don't want. You are free to go
And no one has forced you to join this community, but if you've decided to join it, that means you've essentially subscribed to its terms of use, i.e. its rules.
Have you read the rules of this place? You actually needn't go any further beyond the very first one in this case, namely:
1. Try to be civil. If you must attack, attack the opinion and not the person. Name-calling will not be tolerated.So let's see
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Russia escalatеd the whole situation and sent mercenaries to support conflict? Nope.
That's some good denialist self-delusion right there. Suddenly, those Russian troops in Crimea who weren't "exactly Russian troops" but then turned out to be exactly that, and those pro-Russian paralimitaries in East Ukraine who are not "exactly supported by Russia" but then turn out to be exactly that... are forgotten, as if they never existed - right?
The Kremlin propaganda seems to be working perfectly, that's for sure.
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Suddenly, those Russian troops in Crimea who weren't "exactly Russian troops" but then turned out to be exactly that, and those pro-Russian paralimitaries in East Ukraine who are not "exactly supported by Russia" but then turn out to be exactly that... are forgotten, as if they never existed - right?You belive, that forces, which maintain order in Crimea before it join Russian Federation, belongs to Russian Federation army? ))) That Russia will risk to unmask the whole operation by using own troops before the time for legal army operation will come? ))) Well, speculations, propaganda and guesswork really making deal. In fact, history with notorious "polite people" is much easier than you think. Or want to think, no matter ( ... )
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...but...
There is no compromises at war.
The one who seems confused is yourself. There either is a war, or there isn't. You can't have it both ways. So, again, who exactly does Russia imagine itself to be at war with?
The forces "which maintain order" were Russian troops, Putin already reluctantly admitted that (after he had previously denied it several times, i.e. he was initially lying).
That Russia will risk to unmask the whole operation by using own troops before the time for legal army operation will come?Oh, so they were lying at first, so as not to unmask the whole operation, right? Then they're liars, Putin is a liar. He had been on record lying that those weren't Russian troops, and even now after he has admitted that they were, you're lying that they were merely "forces to maintain order". These troops are invaders, enforcing the annexation of another country's sovereign territory by force, expelling local people at gunpoint and appropriating the territory of a neighboring country, despite ( ... )
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I open this video and didn't hear, that Putin said something about Russian troops. Everything was said by american journalist.
What exectly Putin said in ITAR TASS interview about Crimea situation, that "Russian millitary was helping Crimea self-deffence forces". So, no need to juggle: there was Local Citizans of Crimea Self-Deffence with tactics support of officers from Russian base, that legally located on the territory of Crimea. No Russian Federation troops used in maintaining order operation .
And it was much legally then US Naval Facilities Engineering Command activities in Cimea.
It was an adequate response to Nuland cookies. As US and EU authorities lying in discussing the whole situation, I saw no base for Putin to tell the whole truth. Time of two-way-standarts politics passed.
If you're going to keep using those fake strawman arguments, I don't see much use in continuing this conversation, do you?Never forced ( ... )
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Let's stop pretending that this is anything but a power struggle for geopolitical domination. This isn't a liberation struggle on Russia's part.
So instead of taking Kremlin's propaganda hook, line and sinker, try to transcend the one-sided story that's being presented to you by your domestic propaganda machine.
You are free to go.
Good to know at such an early stage of the conversation that you were never interested in a constructive debate in the first place.
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Funny to hear this from American propaganda consumer )))
Let's stop pretending that this is anything but a power struggle for geopolitical domination.
Time of pretending past away. Its to time tio show, that there are more, than one player in geopolitics. All what happened in Ukraine is an answer for American attemps to create US gegemony in the world.
I understand that it is difficult for you to understand the whole situation, cause while Russian looking for information from different sources, americans limited by TV. We are laughing at fact, that americans consume only what they were treated by internal official mass-media )))
Well, its your choise. It will be veru painfull for americans to realize what really happened.
Good to know at such an early stage of the conversation that you were never interested in a constructive debate in the first place.You expecting something else after your unsubstantiated insults, ignoring ( ... )
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Exactly what I said. So you admit that this isn't about saving Russians, it's a response to a geopolitical challenge. Let's stop pretending that it's otherwise, as your propaganda machine would have you believe.
I'm neither American nor do I "consume" American news outlets or American TV. But nice try anyway. And I'm just going to ignore your insults, and let the moderators deal with you as they deem appropriate.
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And no one has forced you to join this community, but if you've decided to join it, that means you've essentially subscribed to its terms of use, i.e. its rules.
Have you read the rules of this place? You actually needn't go any further beyond the very first one in this case, namely:
1. Try to be civil. If you must attack, attack the opinion and not the person. Name-calling will not be tolerated.So let's see ( ... )
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