The Limits of Predictability

Oct 03, 2012 16:12

Over a year and a half ago, the economics blog Calculated Risk posted this handy chart:


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zebra24 October 4 2012, 10:12:44 UTC
"price increase incentives do not bring more oil" OMG... Free market doesn't work we need to regulate it even more!!! :)

Crude oil production is at decent level, more will drive prices down.
But no real reason to produce more:
this is well controlled market - OPEC and Russia and USA are responsibly for regulating that market.

Taxation and regulation makes oil industry incentives less obvious.
Also for increase of crude oil production more investments needed and risk is huge.

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A Fairy Take rick_day October 4 2012, 12:10:30 UTC
Me: I want to be in the AWL BIDNESS!

ME (year later): shit's expensive. This is not fair! I have to make sure workers are safe? They need breaks? OSAH *gurgles* drowning in regulation. Yeah I make towers of money, what, Tax? Oh uh uh! I DESERVE it all.

ME (14 years later): finally bought me a Congress, shits expensive!

ME (35 years later): fuuuuuuuuuuck I'm riiiiiiiiiiich!

The end.

And your comment is a fairy tale too.

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peristaltor October 4 2012, 22:46:06 UTC
"price increase incentives do not bring more oil" OMG

Actually, free market economics do predict exactly this happening when the supply proves finite and dwindling. It's happened before, in whale oil, for example.

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sophia_sadek October 4 2012, 17:32:26 UTC
Your focus on oil production is interesting. Would you care to add an additional statistic on total energy production/consumption? Also, I am interested in the impact of energy efficiency on economic development. Improvements in data technology could significantly impact economic development by reducing the amount of energy required to transport people to work sites. How does that factor into this whole picture?

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peristaltor October 4 2012, 22:49:41 UTC
"Energy production/consumption" is too vague. Are you talking about electricity (which is largely coal), natural gas (heat, electricity, shale/tar sand oil enabler), food, caffeine? If you want to dig into a complex, tightly coupled system, society's energy profile is just the ticket for demonstrating the limits of theory.

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sophia_sadek October 6 2012, 20:32:15 UTC
So, a leveling out in oil production may not actually indicate anything of significance after all. One of the problems with traditional economic metrics is that they often fail to recognize shifts in restructuring until after the fact. What shows up as a downturn could be a change in basic patterns of economic activity rather than an economic decline.

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peristaltor October 6 2012, 22:44:02 UTC
Nope. Leveling is preventing an increase in traditional economic activity, which is in turn required for a "healthy" economy. The "change in basic patterns of economic activity" you mention will translate to "an economic decline" under the current paradigm.

Until folks start breaking out of that paradigm, decline is in our future. Even then, decline is inevitable.

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gunslnger October 4 2012, 20:23:13 UTC
peristaltor October 4 2012, 22:56:44 UTC
Which "side point" would that be? The only direct mention of correlation was the Short quote's dismissal of gas prices to miles driven.

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gunslnger October 5 2012, 17:07:41 UTC
I'm not referring to a side point you were making.

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peristaltor October 5 2012, 19:04:59 UTC
Could you be a bit more cryptic? (Right now I'm guessing not.)

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