I posted it wondering if you (and several of the other animators on my FL) knew about it. I'm surprised it hasn't been a commonly known thing because once you see them side by side, it's very obvious. And not one or two movies, even, more like half a dozen. Urk.
LOL!! I noticed that as a kid (which I guess is a testament to how obsessively I watched my Disney collection LOL!) Bluth's films did a lot of the same stuff..I also remember the puppies in "All Dog's Go to Heaven" mimicking a lot of the baby dinos in "A Land Before Time". I think it's high-larious! And now that I've worked in the industry, I can't really blame them, what with budgets and deadlines being what they are...and least it was beautiful well animated reuse ;)
But I've always been annoyed that Baloo and Lil John were the EXACT SAME DESIGN, come ON now lets put a LITTLE effort
Yeah, that is annoying -- I guess I always kind of figured they were going for a Disney character design LOOK, but none of the other movies have really had that. IMO the films in the 60s and 70s all had a veeerrry similar look, though. Sort of a scratchy, Twiggy-esque kind of visual that's hard to really put a finger on. Not roundy, but thin and sharp. If that makes any sense at all.
I don't really blame them either, I'm sure scenes like the ones that were copied are very difficult to animate well. And I know what deadlines are like. Still, Disney being the standard it is, I guess I expected more originality and brilliance, somehow.
Its not a style, its a technique. Starting with 101 Dalmations, The cleanup drawings were fed into a new kind of xerox machine which would duplicate the drawing onto a cel. In effect, youre losing another worker. For better or for worse, the later films were closer to the animation artists drawings, but they do lose that smoothness that was added by women in the cel painting process. Previously, it went like this:
Animator Inbetweener fills in 2/3 of the drawings, cleanup artist makes them all uniform ink and paint (ladies only!) traced the black line ink and paint ladies painted in the color
That changed to Animator Inbetweener fills in 2/3 of the drawings, cleanup artist makes them all uniform xerox machine! ink and paint ladies painted in the color
I dunno. I was never bothered by Baloo/Little John because it just felt like they were the same actor in different roles. This was most likely accentuated by the fact that they used the same voice actors for these roles. And also, I <3 <3 <3's Baloo as a child so I was just happy to see him again in another form. ;)
Interesting! I didn't notice at all! I would probably say that some parts are more homage (especially the ones that reference Snow White) but the other parts, such as the action scenes towards the end, are more due to a lack of inspiration. Very cool though! Mr. Jill enjoyed this video's music immensely :-)
The entire Robin Hood dance scene being lifted from Snow White really bothered me. It wasn't little bits, it was the entire dance. :(
But after having my art stolen so many times, I have a very hard time calling anything an "homage", because almost all the time it just seems like stealing, to me. Unless it's referencing something super famous. To me, these are easily homages:
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Those Hulk images are great, especially the top one! I'm kind of floored at the Emily the Strange one, that's pretty blatant. Have you ever seen that website that found a lot of images that Obey Giant has ripped off? It gives me a headache. I'd really love to see how Shepard Fairey draws naturally.
Oh well, at least it is only themselves. If the formula works...
the copying that pixar has done/will inevitably do is bound to be much subtler. Wheras disney copies a 2d sequence, pixar its more like they recycle textures, objects, body parts, motion curves, etc. Its more like reusing parts of an engine than giving a car a new coat of paint.
ferinstance (and this is in no way disgraceful) there were only one or two 'models' of humans in the incredibles, aside from the main characters, just distorted. And the french bomber guy and the freeze guy are the same model.
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how did N O ONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS. considering all the people I work with. I mean seriously.
jungle book, you betrayed me.
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seriously, how did no one tell me?
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But I've always been annoyed that Baloo and Lil John were the EXACT SAME DESIGN, come ON now lets put a LITTLE effort
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I don't really blame them either, I'm sure scenes like the ones that were copied are very difficult to animate well. And I know what deadlines are like. Still, Disney being the standard it is, I guess I expected more originality and brilliance, somehow.
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Inbetweener fills in 2/3 of the drawings,
cleanup artist makes them all uniform
ink and paint (ladies only!) traced the black line
ink and paint ladies painted in the color
That changed to
Animator
Inbetweener fills in 2/3 of the drawings,
cleanup artist makes them all uniform
xerox machine!
ink and paint ladies painted in the color
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If there is a defense, its that most of those clips are retraced in only two movies, made early into Disney's dark period, and well before home video.
There are other clips out there like this, but yeah, its definite double dipping.
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But after having my art stolen so many times, I have a very hard time calling anything an "homage", because almost all the time it just seems like stealing, to me. Unless it's referencing something super famous. To me, these are easily homages:
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Oh well, at least it is only themselves. If the formula works...
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ferinstance (and this is in no way disgraceful) there were only one or two 'models' of humans in the incredibles, aside from the main characters, just distorted. And the french bomber guy and the freeze guy are the same model.
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