And don't forget that older, past-reproducing-age people (widowed, divorced, never-married-sooner) shouldn't marry either, then. :P
I love this post. And I've got a personal view into several gay-parenting families that are doing a great job with their kids. Possibly better - no gender-role stereotyping. And before they even reach preschool, our kids understand that having two mommies or two daddies is nothing weird or wrong.
Oh, we are older and past reproducing. Well, he isn't, but I am and he doesn't want to anyway. We never intended to.
And that not that many years ago we couldn't have married anyway, because of miscegenation laws. We still get funny looks. I watch people do the double take, and grin a little inward grin. Sometimes they look at our left hands to figure it out. Sometimes I think that's the only reason I put up with something as annoying as a ring. Yes dork, we are married. You can close your mouth now.
I know two lesbian families who've gone the AI route, but they were back home in Binghamton and Ithaca, and I don't know how the babes have thrived. (I should give them a call.) Probably fine.
I tease my sister with that: "Hey, do you know you're a threat to America?" No children and no intention to have any, but she and her husband are wonderful companions for their journey through life.
(And y'know, I've don't see a reason to stop fully consensual families involving more than two adults from forming. I blame Robert Heinlein for corrupting my morals this way...)
I hate to break it to the people who are whining about gay marriage breaking the link between marriage and parenting, but that genie's been out of the bottle for 40 years or so, since the birth control pill was made available and the courts determined that people had a right to use it. (This is why some people speculate that if they overturn Roe v. Wade, the pro-life movement is likely to go after Griswold v. Connecticut, the case that established the right to BC, next...)
gay marriage breaking the link between marriage and parenting
If you accept that that gay couples can parent, then gay marriage doesn't break any link between marriage and parenting.
And for those who believe that gay parents cause gay children, please explain how so many gay people have straight parents? Either there's no link of causality, or there must be some tendency out there for people to just come out gay no matter what, and they're afraid that gay parents will make it more likely. Well if there is a pervasive (i.e. natural) tendency to come out gay, then the people who've been calling it an offense against nature and society have got it at least half wrong.
I don't see a reason to stop fully consensual families involving more than two adults from forming.
There's many other cultures that agree with this. (Even the Mormons used to....) Some even say it takes a village....
Same-sex marriage happened here and almost nobody noticed. As far as I can tell, civilisation is not crashing down around our ears, nobody has made Christianity illegal yet (much though I wish they would), and life is otherwise distressingly normal.
Same-sex marriage happened here and almost nobody noticed.
If we could just get that through the heads of the marriage bigots. The people who are so determined to prevent gay marriage are people who would essentially be unaffected by its prohibition. These gay couples are already living together; gay marriage isn't going to change that much. The ones who are determined to somehow have children are having children anyway. Insisting that gay people live in hetero couples does not make anyone's life better, or make anyone's children safer. It's time for society to acknowledge the reality that people will live with whomever they choose.
(And username love. We're doing tuning and temperaments in my baroque aesthetics class, so I'm finally learning about the joy of cents, rather than just having to move my second finger down a bit on the fingerboard.)
Comments 12
Reply
I love this post. And I've got a personal view into several gay-parenting families that are doing a great job with their kids. Possibly better - no gender-role stereotyping. And before they even reach preschool, our kids understand that having two mommies or two daddies is nothing weird or wrong.
Reply
And that not that many years ago we couldn't have married anyway, because of miscegenation laws. We still get funny looks. I watch people do the double take, and grin a little inward grin. Sometimes they look at our left hands to figure it out. Sometimes I think that's the only reason I put up with something as annoying as a ring. Yes dork, we are married. You can close your mouth now.
I know two lesbian families who've gone the AI route, but they were back home in Binghamton and Ithaca, and I don't know how the babes have thrived. (I should give them a call.) Probably fine.
Reply
(And y'know, I've don't see a reason to stop fully consensual families involving more than two adults from forming. I blame Robert Heinlein for corrupting my morals this way...)
I hate to break it to the people who are whining about gay marriage breaking the link between marriage and parenting, but that genie's been out of the bottle for 40 years or so, since the birth control pill was made available and the courts determined that people had a right to use it. (This is why some people speculate that if they overturn Roe v. Wade, the pro-life movement is likely to go after Griswold v. Connecticut, the case that established the right to BC, next...)
Reply
If you accept that that gay couples can parent, then gay marriage doesn't break any link between marriage and parenting.
And for those who believe that gay parents cause gay children, please explain how so many gay people have straight parents? Either there's no link of causality, or there must be some tendency out there for people to just come out gay no matter what, and they're afraid that gay parents will make it more likely. Well if there is a pervasive (i.e. natural) tendency to come out gay, then the people who've been calling it an offense against nature and society have got it at least half wrong.
I don't see a reason to stop fully consensual families involving more than two adults from forming.
There's many other cultures that agree with this. (Even the Mormons used to....) Some even say it takes a village....
Reply
Reply
Reply
If you'd have us.
Wait. We're not gay. Or Christian. Hmm.
Reply
If we could just get that through the heads of the marriage bigots. The people who are so determined to prevent gay marriage are people who would essentially be unaffected by its prohibition. These gay couples are already living together; gay marriage isn't going to change that much. The ones who are determined to somehow have children are having children anyway. Insisting that gay people live in hetero couples does not make anyone's life better, or make anyone's children safer. It's time for society to acknowledge the reality that people will live with whomever they choose.
Reply
(And username love. We're doing tuning and temperaments in my baroque aesthetics class, so I'm finally learning about the joy of cents, rather than just having to move my second finger down a bit on the fingerboard.)
Reply
( ... )
Reply
Baroque aesthetics are delicious. That's why I'm a baroque cellist. *friends you*
Reply
Leave a comment