The Kalyani in Pink Floyd

[sunson]

I am listening to 'Cluster One' (The division Bell) by Pink Floyd for the first time thus far. It was amazingly feeling like some sort of a Carnatic Fusion album to me. I've not heard much Pink Floyd except the 'Animals' and 'Dark side of the Moon' album (and that was all because I liked the 'psychedellic' sounds and the 'patterns' in them

Comments

[nehavish]

Interestingly, Critics thought Division Bell was a lot of crap. But 'Coming Back to Life' is a brilliant song. There's another version (not studio) in the Pulse album, which has a more *despo* feel to it.

The theme of Division Bell is to do with feedback, and communication. (Hence a lot of emphasis on talking, communicating through the album).

There's an interesting take on this, based on Norbert Wiener's work in a very simple form at http://www.angelfire.com/co/1x137/dbell.html

:)

[sunson]

Ah, Very little do I concentrate on the lyrics most of the time. But there are some golden (maybe simple?) lyrics that catch my attention and I go ga-ga about it all the time. (Like the "sami rendayutta, bhoomi rendagume" from the Hey Ram song "Ramar ananlum Babaranalum" (is that meant to sound stupid or what?) or like "maarbil anivatharrkkey unnaipol vaira manigal undo?" in "Chinnanchiru kiliye"... the last one especially, its an amazing thought. No wonder its from Bharathiyar!)

My point was that its interesting how pink floyd (or is it the LSD?) arrived at the same 'sequence' thats used by so many Carnatic folks when rendering Kalyani. Both gave the same level of 'high' that kalyani gives.

[nehavish]

:)

The lyrics from Division Bell are killing. In fact, while I love Pink Floyd for the arrangement of music, their lyrics are phenomenal, because it's almost a commentary on their times.

Bharathiyar is exceptional. But in recent times, Vairamuthu sometimes comes up with brilliant lines. His analogies, and metaphors are very image oriented.. hhmm.

[sunson]

their lyrics are phenomenal, because it's almost a commentary on their times.

I see...

What does thou thinketh on Shakti? (No, Not Remember Shakti, but the original Shakti). Diggeth?

But in recent times, Vairamuthu sometimes comes up with brilliant lines.

Sure. but i disagree on the 'recent times' if you are talking about 'filmi' music. I haven't heard any good lyrics from him in a long time. 'Ithu Oru Pon Malai Pozhuthu' is so 'rasichu' (maybe he experienced?) and ezhuthified :) At the same time This isn't just humour. It seriously works with Variamuthu.

prathi madhyama and shuddha madhyama

[kruthi]

Theres one carnatic version of hindustani kalyani is called "yaman kalyani" ... the aaroohana goes like ni re ga ma da ni ri sa
and while coming back in the avarohana there is shuddha madhyama ... prolly pink floyd has used that kalyani :-)
and have u noticed there are so many hindi songs in kalyani! it is such a popular raaga ..
on another note, it was nice meeting u on lj.. added u :-)
are u practicing classical vocal ?

Re: prathi madhyama and shuddha madhyama

[sunson]

Theres one carnatic version of hindustani kalyani is called "yaman kalyani" ... the aaroohana goes like ni re ga ma da ni ri sa

Yeah! I love yaman kalyani. Thats what got me started on Carnatic, infact! I was just talking with nehavish the other day over e-mail on how beautiful Yaman is, inspite of the fact that its got, theoritically, 4 notes close by - the pa ma2 ma1 and da3. But it never sounds "ugly" like, say, kanakangi ;) but finally all that matters is how the artist/composer handles a given ragam. Have you heard "Mogam ennum theeyil en manam venthu venthu urugum" from Sindu bhairavi? Thats kanakangi! but it doesn't sound bad _at_all_.

Re: prathi madhyama and shuddha madhyama

[kruthi]

oh i havnt heard that song :-((

Re: prathi madhyama and shuddha madhyama

[meghadutam]

http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/lyrics/226.html

That's where the song and lyrics are..
yenjaay!

[sunson]

indeed. Thats the effect of Kalyani in Carnatic too...