I'm more inclined to think Jack's immortality is a predestination paradox. If he is in fact the Face of Boe, we saw him twice before Jack was actually introduced (End of the World and The Long Game). Rose had all of time in her head, enough power to spread the words Bad Wolf throughout time as a message to herself and bring him back to life. I think she made him immortal because she saw him as immortal. The Doctor only assumed she couldn't control it. Jack's here because he's supposed to be here, this is how history plays out, he's not changing anything. (Predestination paradoxes seem to be a bit of a running theme in New Who.)
As for the 456, they would've found someone else in 1965. Jack didn't do anything special. Torchwood has no problems attracting people who can be ruthless to what they see as the bigger picture. He was simply convenient. But that someone else wouldn't have been around in CoE and who knows if anyone would've fought back...
RTD's sneaky trick will involve the Time Lords, I'm sure of it.
Right! I forgot that people can't read my mind. Sorry. :(
Your theory is very workable, but I'm operating from the premise that RTD will soon take all the Jack-is-Boe notions and kill them dead, because fans like them. It's just this feeling I have that perhaps Jack's story will end for good in this upcoming special, however minor his part is. I really hope not, obviously, but CoE has made me so cynical.
I think there were a couple of scrapes humanity only survived because of Torchwood Three's involvement, like that whole deal with the sleeper agents (assuming they'd even have activated without Torchwood being involved) or the stolen Earth incident, but um... I think even if Earth survived long enough for the 456 to show, no one would have fought them, no. (As giving in seems to have been a theme of CoE.)
Yeah, there's definitely clues as to Time Lord involvement. It's just that I know nothing of classic Who, so I have no basis from which to form speculation about that.
I don't think the specials will effect Jack or his story. RTD's already said CoE won't be referenced at all and there's rumors/theories that either the specials are set before CoE or Jack may be part of a hallucination of the Doctor's. Considering RTD's in talks for S4, there's a limited amount they can do with Jack without affecting Torchwood. I don't think that'll go on without Jack, at least not more than an episode or two. RTD can't end Jack's story without effectively ending Torchwood
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lefaym and I decided that the reason why the continuity of the SJA and TW and NuWho didn't match is that they're leading up to a big reveal where they split into 2 universes -- one where everything is sunshine and puppies and everyone who was dead lives, and one where emo!doctor can go emote around the galaxy like a champ.
Ok, it was one in a long line of crack theories.
Have you read "The Sound of Thunder", by Ray Bradbury? I can send you a link if you'd like. It's sort of the archetypal time paradox story and might be inspirational :)
This version has epically bad illustrations to go along with it, too :) I love the dinos, and this does them proud!
We came up with a bunch of silly crack theories, like Gwen waking up in hospital having been in a coma: I had the strangest dream! And YOU were there, and YOU were there...
The thing with TW and DW is that there is no "grand plan," RTD and the rest are just making it up as they go, and it makes it hard to figure out what they are up to. They do some planning however, and leave cookie crumbs and loose ends laying around
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If RTD was really crafty, he could bring Ianto back without resurrecting him. He wouldn't be the first recurring character in television history who is dead. Six Feet Under did it, Dexter is doing it. It could work, and would play for the existing angstiness of the fandom.
How do you mean? Like... having him continually reappear in flashbacks?
It could be flashbacks. After all, Ianto is more mysterious after CoE than before. Yes we learned that he has a sister, but also that he totally lied about his father. What was that about?
It also could be something else. In Dexter, his father Harry is his missing conscience. Ianto could be entire in Jack's head.
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As for the 456, they would've found someone else in 1965. Jack didn't do anything special. Torchwood has no problems attracting people who can be ruthless to what they see as the bigger picture. He was simply convenient. But that someone else wouldn't have been around in CoE and who knows if anyone would've fought back...
RTD's sneaky trick will involve the Time Lords, I'm sure of it.
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Your theory is very workable, but I'm operating from the premise that RTD will soon take all the Jack-is-Boe notions and kill them dead, because fans like them. It's just this feeling I have that perhaps Jack's story will end for good in this upcoming special, however minor his part is. I really hope not, obviously, but CoE has made me so cynical.
I think there were a couple of scrapes humanity only survived because of Torchwood Three's involvement, like that whole deal with the sleeper agents (assuming they'd even have activated without Torchwood being involved) or the stolen Earth incident, but um... I think even if Earth survived long enough for the 456 to show, no one would have fought them, no. (As giving in seems to have been a theme of CoE.)
Yeah, there's definitely clues as to Time Lord involvement. It's just that I know nothing of classic Who, so I have no basis from which to form speculation about that.
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Wow. This... is actually making me excited to see Who again. I hope it's true.
I think that character was Ianto's mum in this one fanfic I read....
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Ok, it was one in a long line of crack theories.
Have you read "The Sound of Thunder", by Ray Bradbury? I can send you a link if you'd like. It's sort of the archetypal time paradox story and might be inspirational :)
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I dunno if I've read it, but I'd love to have the link, thanks. I really enjoyed The Martian Chronicles.
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This version has epically bad illustrations to go along with it, too :) I love the dinos, and this does them proud!
We came up with a bunch of silly crack theories, like Gwen waking up in hospital having been in a coma: I had the strangest dream! And YOU were there, and YOU were there...
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The dream bit, is that a reference to the movie?
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How do you mean? Like... having him continually reappear in flashbacks?
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It also could be something else. In Dexter, his father Harry is his missing conscience. Ianto could be entire in Jack's head.
Or he could be something ghost like.
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I doubt it will happen, though.
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