HP: Ron, Hermione, Ron & Harry

[story645]

Yeah, so I'm running with my own topic, for the moment. No homework due tomorrow, not going to school Tuesday and Wednesday cause of Succos (Jewish holiday) and calc test Thursday. I even have a proper topic for my English essay, not due till next week, just gotta write it.

Comments

[chocolatepot]

I think I need to stop hanging about at HF ... I don't think it's good to break down like this ...

Anyway, I think the overanalysis comes in when you're using outside works to uncover the plot (Shakespeare, Emma, &c.) and when one uses solely one's own experiences to compare/contrast with the character's behavior, and insists that that is the only valid interpretation. I can't think of anything that happened in the books that you can only figure out by bringing the Aeneid into it -- I mean -- wow, this is so hard to say properly -- knowing the references makes it easier to get, yes, but you don't have to know the history of Rome or a lot of star names to understand it all.

[story645]

What's HF?

[chocolatepot]

Harmony Forums. See, a few months after they shut off their HP discussion from the rest of the world, they opened up a "Discussion Board" for H/H and R/H shippers to discuss things and invited several HMS STFU-ers to join. A couple did, including me, and I'm considering leaving it (again).

[story645]

Oy, what's happened this time?

[lognar1525]

Umm.. I like your analysis... glad to see someone talking sane.
I don't thik you are overanalysing, or well not much. It is a very interesting view... thanks! ... I think overanalysing is when you start seeing some deeper meaning in every tiny little detail, like how someone holds his toast at breakfast and then deduce that he'll be minister of magic in twenty years because of that... well or if you only use outside sources, becasue a sttory is a story and even though there are parallels to some other works does not mean that the story has to follow that path

as for HF.. well I am an harmonian, but er... I hardly ever go there anymore...
I mean I like PK... but HF is like walking into a snake pit sometimes... I hardly ever go to SQ anymore...

[story645]

SQ is hard if you haven't been there for a while and aren't the type to just jump in. And yeah I'm finding that with HF, it seems to be one of those places that can get bad, but I miss actual ship discussion, and the only place left to do that at PK is the off topic thread. Yeah some people are bratty and like debating, but there are also some people who were curious and wanted to ask questions. I mean I used to use the shipping forum to ask tolerance building questions and to just get opposing views, and now, even the R/Lu forum feels a bit hostile to multi-shippers.

Ooh, thanks for liking my analysis. I miss sanity too.

[lognar1525]

Well to be honest I only partcipated in the riddle thread on SQ... I don't know why, but that was the place I felt most welcome. I never really got into the HP threads. I used to like reading some of the debating on PK, I even tried to join in, but it's not really my style.
On harmony the things going on before HBP made me fight the urge to go to the love thread arguing against them...

Your analysis made sense and it is a view I have been loking for for a long time... maybe I'll finally manage to get past the first chapter for my second read!

[story645]

Um, same as why I'm basically at ES over at PK at the moment. No ship debate forum and there isn't much place to talk otherwise. Specially since the straight meta stuff tends to lean H/Hr, and I have to be careful 'bout debating there. Uch, drives me nuts, cause if anyone really thinks shippings not gonna bleed into regular discussions, I've gotta ask what fandom they're in, cause it sure isn't HP.
You should go to the love thread.. I mean the fandom should here more non-Harmionian H/Hr's speak up, at places besides F_W. I can sympathise though. There was one awful R/Hr arguement bouncing around that ticked me off so much I ended up at the Can't Stand R/Hr thread at fictionalley.
Ooh, have you read my H/hr friendship piece yet?
http://www.livejournal.com/users/story645/37417.html#cutid1

[story645]

sorry keeper, will go edit now. Don't write this stuff while talking with other people.

[texasmagic]

I like your analysis, especially of Hermione and her ego. She does have a "my way or the high way" streak about her.

To me, over analysis occurs when the theory can't stand on its own with evidence predominantly from the books. There are accepted symbols, but one must be careful, since modern authors love to turn those symbols inside out. When you must constantly justify and clarify your theories based on evidence from other sources, then you are overanalyzing.

foreshadowing/ female vs male hero's journey

[stmargarets]

First of all thanks for tackling my Hermione question. Reading your comments (you have the symbolic aspects of the black eye down pat) and thinking about it some more, I think that little sequence with Hermione serves as foreshadowing more than anything. Hermione's injury is brought about by a combination of Hermione's poking her nose where it shouldn't be and the thoughtlessness of Fred and George (leaving a charmed Muggle object behind). What makes this injury significant is that it can *only be cured by Fred and George.* Hermione's injury is public and protracted. Once Hermione is able to talk to Fred and George, her injury is healed immediately

Re: foreshadowing/ female vs male hero's journey

[story645]

sorry for the delay, hols and all. I like your forshadowing better than mine cause it's tighter.
lj love entry, (it's old, but on love in HBP and, oh, might be your speed)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/story645/35755.html#cutid1

I like that JK kind of flips the genders when it comes to Ron and Hermione when it comes to literary archetyoes, but still keeps them very recognizably their own genders. It's just an interesting way of playing with perception and expectations.