Erstwhile Firsts

Dec 23, 2022 14:23

Well, I followed Covid, after a two-week gap, with a flu chaser. Apart from a bout of heatstroke in Japan in 2017, and a weird series of nosebleeds in Japan in 2018 (see a pattern here?), these are my first illnesses for goodness knows how long. I assume that Covid lowered my resistance generally ( Read more... )

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nightspore December 23 2022, 15:08:20 UTC
First (!) of all: glad you're better.

As to ordinals, this is fascinating because it sounds like a natural version of what set theory ends up saying about numbers. All cardinals are based on the primitive notion of one (or unity). So in a sense it shouldn't give rise to an ordinal, because ordinals belong to a pre-established pattern -- belong to a sequence that can't be defined until you have unity already established, as well as having established the idea of a "successor" to a number. You need the number one before you have any other quantities because it allows for the idea of one-to-one correspondence, upon which counting and therefore greater and lesser numbers are based.

Also, "n+1th" is a legitimate rhyme for "month." See this great poem, by the great and famous, ever to be praised George Starbuck.

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steepholm December 23 2022, 15:46:08 UTC
That's a lovely poem. "He planted Cosmic Glints to make you whimper for a glint-axe"!

We've all been there.

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ext_5432509 December 23 2022, 20:56:13 UTC
Wishing you a swift recovery!

I think I'm the first Welsh learner/speaker to show up to comment. Bit of a surprise. We all just love talking about the vigesimal and decimal counting systems so much.

Don't think I'd ever realised that Indo-European languages generally go in for not having a regular ordinal of one. Not at all boring news!

I probably just reacted in language lessons with a despairing sigh and a shrug when encountering erst/premiere/primus, especially if the ordinal in question also inflected to match the noun.

In Welsh there's 'un' (one). Cyntaf (the normal way of saying first, deriving from 'cynt' - like first and erst, it seems based on a superlative) aaaand unfed, which also means first, though these days is mainly encountered when numbering centuries or days of the month using the old vigesimal system.

yr unfed ar bymtheg ganrif - the first on fifteen century i.e. the sixteenth century. yr unfed ar hugain o Ragfyr - the first on twenty of December.

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steepholm December 24 2022, 08:48:18 UTC
Don't think I'd ever realised that Indo-European languages generally go in for not having a regular ordinal of one. Not at all boring news!

I know, right? I gleaned this from the OED etymology for "first", which is actually a lengthy essay on this whole subject in disguise. And thank you for the Welsh info! I'll be spending Christmas in Wales, so I'll see if I can sneak this knowledge into a casual conversation somehow.

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sartorias December 23 2022, 22:00:54 UTC
I love this sort of stuff.

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steepholm December 24 2022, 08:48:37 UTC
I'm so glad I'm not the only one!

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andrewducker January 4 2023, 10:34:00 UTC

Aaah, so "First" is "Foremost" and now I know where "erstwhile" comes from!

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