That was an awesome meta. One of the best I've ever seen on ANY of the characters. If what you've written is what the writers intend, then I'll have absolutely no problem with Jo. In fact, as another younger sibling for Dean, I think she'd work pretty well. But if that's not how the writers are directing her character, then I think it's a failure on their part and possibly a failure on the actress'.
Thanks! I don't know where they're going with Jo (I try to avoid spoilers) but it makes sense to me that with John's death, Dean would reach out to someone he can see as family. And I like Jo!
I think maybe she is, but that's a normal reaction so soon after getting a shock like that.
I am generally neutral about Jo's character, but a lot of people's criticism of her attitude to Dean at the end of the episode is a bit unfair IMO. Like you said, she just learnt that there is someone responsible for her father's death and I think it's natural to be a bit moody right after such a relevation.
I also think she works a lot better as a little sister to Dean, and not as a love interest. That's really the only vibe I got off them throughout the episode...
I also think she works a lot better as a little sister to Dean, and not as a love interest.
*nods* Yes. I'm not opposed to the idea of Dean getting a girl at some point, but the chemistry just isn't there with Jo. But I would very much like to see their relationship developed further, on platonic lines.
I love your meta. Also I agree she is better as a younger sister than a love interest. Plus I understand she was upset over what Ellen had told her but I still didn't like the way she treated Dean for it. Dean always seems to get the backlash on everything. But that could just be me. I like Dean and don't like him getting hurt.
That's pretty much how I saw her: young, wanting in on a life she's always been pushed to the outside of and crushing on Dean.
If Ellen has been trying to keep her out you have to wonder how much training she's got.
Also. 21 is a slight improvement on me thinking she looks about 18 because the thought of someone in Dean's age/life experience bracket chasing a kid that young is creepy. It's still creepy but hey, most movies seem to pair men with women who should be playing their daughters.
If Ellen has been trying to keep her out you have to wonder how much training she's got.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "training". She certainly doesn't have the kind of training Dean and Sam got from their dad. But she lives in a dangerous world. If it's necessary to greet a couple of strangers who walk into a bar with guns instead of a polite "hello" then she's got to be able to handle herself in dangerous situations.
we, as the audience, never see her put forth an adult and reasoned argument as to why she should be *doing* the hunt.
Yeah, that's why I say it has the feel of an often-repeated argument. Ellis isn't giving reasons why not, either. Not really. She's just putting her foot down, and Jo is rebelling.
But Jo and Sam's situations after are very different - Sam walked away from his brother and father completely. He went out and carved a life that he wanted for himself. Jo hasn't 'walked away' like Sam did.
No...but I think she's getting there. Sam, if we believe his version of events, never intended to walk out and break off all contact with his family. He was "just going to college" but that last fight with John either hurt him deeply enough, or convinced him that John truly meant it when he said don't come back.
Ellen and Jo aren't at that point yet, but they're getting there (and might have reached the point in No Exit if Dean and Sam didn't take the case). But for Jo it's not at simple as walking away was for Sam, because her family
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I am generally neutral about Jo's character, but a lot of people's criticism of her attitude to Dean at the end of the episode is a bit unfair IMO. Like you said, she just learnt that there is someone responsible for her father's death and I think it's natural to be a bit moody right after such a relevation.
I also think she works a lot better as a little sister to Dean, and not as a love interest. That's really the only vibe I got off them throughout the episode...
Cool meta. :)
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*nods* Yes. I'm not opposed to the idea of Dean getting a girl at some point, but the chemistry just isn't there with Jo. But I would very much like to see their relationship developed further, on platonic lines.
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That's pretty much how I saw her: young, wanting in on a life she's always been pushed to the outside of and crushing on Dean.
If Ellen has been trying to keep her out you have to wonder how much training she's got.
Also. 21 is a slight improvement on me thinking she looks about 18 because the thought of someone in Dean's age/life experience bracket chasing a kid that young is creepy. It's still creepy but hey, most movies seem to pair men with women who should be playing their daughters.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "training". She certainly doesn't have the kind of training Dean and Sam got from their dad. But she lives in a dangerous world. If it's necessary to greet a couple of strangers who walk into a bar with guns instead of a polite "hello" then she's got to be able to handle herself in dangerous situations.
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Yeah, that's why I say it has the feel of an often-repeated argument. Ellis isn't giving reasons why not, either. Not really. She's just putting her foot down, and Jo is rebelling.
But Jo and Sam's situations after are very different - Sam walked away from his brother and father completely. He went out and carved a life that he wanted for himself. Jo hasn't 'walked away' like Sam did.
No...but I think she's getting there. Sam, if we believe his version of events, never intended to walk out and break off all contact with his family. He was "just going to college" but that last fight with John either hurt him deeply enough, or convinced him that John truly meant it when he said don't come back.
Ellen and Jo aren't at that point yet, but they're getting there (and might have reached the point in No Exit if Dean and Sam didn't take the case). But for Jo it's not at simple as walking away was for Sam, because her family ( ... )
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