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[spinners_grove]

So here's the theory: Snape dies and is reincarnated into an adorable, blonde, spiky haired young man named Billy/Dr. Horrible.

I know, I know, it's come out of my mouth only a million times, but this is the first time it's coming out of my fingers. (And with this, lyricalecho, my autumn friend? The only this you can find wrong with this is that I actually

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[lyricalecho]

I... cannot argue your research, certainly, with the quotes and all. I just think there are some fundamental differences between them; Dr. Horrible, way I see it, is like Snape's backstory told by Snape-as-Unreliable-Narrator, where he's the well-meaning and moral woobie who just gets shoved over the breaking point by an extremely shallow, egotistical, moronic jerkass version of James, and where Lily is highly passive-- almost objectified, really-- and she's dating someone who she clearly doesn't belong with and who doesn't make her happy and only Snape can see it!!11!

But, you know. I've always had very strong issues with the Snape/Lily plotline in its entirety. Actually, the majority of Deathly Hallows, now that I think about it.

(And sweetie, you can call me Echo. The rest of the internet does~)

[spinners_grove]

Oh, no, I didn't say that there weren't differences. Like you said, Lily certainly makes her decision, and Penny was sort of undecided. I mean, I think in some senses (much as it breaks my heart to say it) there are some aspects of the situation where Lily was totally justified in dumping him. She had concrete reasons for breaking off whatever relationship they had, while Penny just sort of floated. And again, Lily gets all mad when Sev just tries to tell her what to do, and Penny sleeps with Hammer on what, like the second date? Boiled down? Lily kicks butt and Penny is wishy-washy. Boiled down? Sev has better taste. Kidding! =D

[lyricalecho]

Alright, so we agree on that, then. And we could really debate Penny's character until the cows come home, I think, as well as James's. XD

OH ALRIGHT SO DH. Actually, the thing about Joss and Jo brings up my first point-- no. They are incredibly different. Joss? Has a well-advertised dislike of happy endings. Firefly and Buffy, from what I know, are bittersweet at best, and Dr. Horrible is, well. Tragic. So Jo has this thing where she's like, "Oh hey, there's this thing called Anyone Can Die! :D I'll use that!" But she's still rather childishly romantic in her writing, and so the anyone-dying? Doesn't fit, and it doesn't change anything, and it still has the same asinine ending.

Grace. Frick, Grace, I have to say this: I cannot *stand* Snape/Lily. I think the whole Prince's Tale thing just throws any possible character development for Snape out the window: hey, look, guys! You know how you were wondering if Snape had a scrap of morality in him, if he maybe was going to save Harry after deep internal conflict? NOPE! :D He just had

[spinners_grove]

I agree on the topic of Remus, and overly happy endings, and the whole Joss/Jo thing. The only thing is that we differ where you "have never been much of a romantic to begin with," and I am a COMPLETE SUCKER FOR CUTE ROMANCES THAT ROT YOUR TEETH. (Royal, for example.)

I dunno, the thing I disagree on here is the Snape/Lily thing. To tell you the truth, I don't think it was quite lust that Snape had for Lily. That is, I'm not saying that it was healthy in any way, shape or form. It wasn't. I just think that he saw Lily as a figure associated with safety and comfort, whereas he didn't really have that anywhere else. She treated him well, and he was just looking for someone to latch onto who made him feel good, and so he became obsessively clingy. That’s what it was all about: someone who gave his self-confidence a boost, and who didn’t treat him like crap. And the Death Eaters, well, that whole thing was because he felt worthless next to James, who was popular, and he wanted to be popular too so that he could prove his worth. It was