Old Question, but it keeps conversation up :)

[maddarilke]

I have a question which I'm certain has been psed here before, but I am in need of a canonical (or really freakin' plausible) answer as soon as possible for a special project, to be posted at sparrabeth and potc_feminists (to which this is crossposted).

Is there any official answer to where Elizabeth is, in the "Ten Years Later" scene at the end of AWE, when she and Junior

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[reneeks]

Hehehe...who says undead people can't make babies??? His heart was cut out, not his balls. Sorry, I'm goofy today! I'm pretty sure canonically the child was Will's, as much of a devoted Sparrabether as I am, I just can't delude myself that far!! That's why I like AU fics where J&E had some kind of a...moment...before Elizabeth and Will married. I read a few of those but only one comes right to mind, Unfinished, by SalR323. 'S awesome. http://salr323.livejournal.com/71566.html#cutid1... )

[naika7]

"I believe movie canon shows that she would always choose Will over Jack."

True...I can't believe Liz can resist Jack ))lolz. She would always choose Will, but in the third movie it felt like she chose him reluctantly, just because she had to. This whole thing would make no sense if she abandoned Will, it all started out because of him. I do truly believe that if Will stayed with her instead of going off as the CoFD, she'd grow tired of him and dump him for Jack.

The writers are clever. They bound Liz to Will for at least 20 years (10 for the curse and another 10 as a pitty stay). Otherwise, I doubt Will would be able to hold on to her!!!

[reneeks]

The writers are clever. They bound Liz to Will for at least 20 years (10 for the curse and another 10 as a pitty stay). Otherwise, I doubt Will would be able to hold on to her!!!

Yeah, I think Elizabeth would have loved a life at sea, and Will wouldn't have, and that would have been a major problem if they'd have had a normal relationship.

[mycoffeemuse]

As far as where she is, I believe it's Shipwreck Cove. If you look at the scene where they are coming up on Shipwreck in AWE before the battle, the cliffs are similar the ones at the very end. Just my humble opinion.

And as far as Junior... The DVD insert says Will is bound forever, despite what T&T say on the website.

The kid is singing 'A Pirate's Life for Me' and is wearing a tri-corn and a long coat... very Jack-ish, eh?

[ladyofthesilent]

The German novelization says she's at Shipwreck Cove, and since the novel was based on the script, I'd say this is what TnT originally had in mind.

In fanon, most people write her as living (or at least having a base) at Shipwreck City. I've read some stories in which she was living at Port Royal or even England, though.

BTW, can't wait to see what your project might be ;)

[this_weirdness]

If Will was officially a member of the undead, how did he impregnate Elizabeth?

As I understand it, Will is not "undead"; he is immortal, and plenty of "immortals" throughout legend were able to procreate. The rest of his body seems to work fine in the absence of his heart, so why not his reproductive organs? With Disney magic, anything is possible! :)

[this_weirdness]

Well, Jack certainly believed that becoming the Captain of the FD would make him immortal.

Little Jack no. 1: "But eternity is longer still."

Little Jack no. 2: "And how will you be spending it? Dead? Or not?"

Little Jack no. 1: "The Immortal Captain Jack Sparrow."

Big Jack: "Oh, I like that!"

As far as I can see, the only time "undead" is mentioned in DMC is in reference to Jack the monkey. I've always thought that Calypso made Jones immortal at the start of his Captaincy of the FD. It was ten years later, when she didn't show up for their appointment, that he cut out his heart.

Also, the characters in the Highlander series are called Immortals, and they can die by being beheaded. I think being immortal means different things in different fictional universes.

[artaxastra]

My bet is Shipwreck Island. But really, it could be nearly anywhere. Elizabeth could do just about anything in the next ten years!

As far as the faithful to Will and he's released thing, whatever they intended, it didn't go in the movie. I just rewatched, and I don't see anything in canon to specify that Will can be released other than by having someone stab his heart. Which I think leaves it open for us to create some other magical way, or not as we choose.

[reneeks]

I have never heard of anything or anyone(except God but we're not going there) being absolutely, completely immortal. As far as I know, every 'immortal' creature can be killed in some way. JONES was immortal, as far as we know, until he cut his heart out, and that became part of the curse. But we don't know anything about the original curse, either: Whether or not he'd have been set free after the original ten years if Calypso had shown up or not, or whether there was any way to kill him before his heart was cut out and the option to stab it became

[reneeks]

Ahhh, I see. I'm a bit out of touch with things I guess. So the above-mentioned cannot be killed in any way? I saw "Death Becomes Her" but I'm not familiar with Torchwood or Doctor Who. I'm probably missing out on some good stuff, these shows seem to be VERY popular, but I'm just not a TV kinda girl. My spare time(the little of it I have) is spent here!!

[gylzgirl]

Actually, technically, if the whole Face of Boe connection for Jack (Harkness that is) is true, he isn't really immortal. He just has a lifespan of multiple billion years and is impervious to being killed by murder or misadventure.

But, in fiction, generally I think the term immortal usually means a being who won't die on its own and is bloody difficult to kill.