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verasteine March 22 2011, 13:35:56 UTC
This judge should go back to school. I don't know where he/she got these ideas, but this ruling is seriously unsound. Not to mention that I'm curious what his grounds for judicial review itself is in this case...

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sparkindarkness March 22 2011, 14:24:25 UTC
I boggle at the reasoning. It has to be appealed - he's outright undermining all equality law by saying you can discriminate or use hate speech if you have religious grounds. This is a terrible judgement

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verasteine March 22 2011, 14:36:02 UTC
It's also wrong. I think precedent disagrees with him, although I can't cite exact cases because it's been a while since I last read them. I'm also pretty sure that hate speech is allowed within religious institutions, yes, since they are part of scripture, but once you start interacting with the world, the rules change. Not to mention that an ad created solely to rail against minorities doesn't exactly meet the purpose of advertising. All of this before the argument that of course, the existence of a minority group cannot be the same as active hate speech in religious scripture. This is mind-boggling.

And still wondering why he used the ECHR as a way to evaluate a code of conduct... Someone will have to explain that one to me, too.

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brewsternorth March 22 2011, 18:33:58 UTC
I'm also pretty sure that hate speech is allowed within religious institutions, yes, since they are part of scripture, but once you start interacting with the world, the rules change.

That's what I thought too. I wonder if this is a specifically Northern Irish thing, that the boundary between religious institutions and "the world" is (perceived as) more blurred?

Certainly doesn't justify that twisting of the ECHR to be sure, though.

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teleens_journal March 22 2011, 17:22:19 UTC
May I link to this on safeforatheists?

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sparkindarkness March 23 2011, 02:53:04 UTC
by all means

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teleens_journal March 23 2011, 03:13:33 UTC
Thanks, :).

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eva_rosen March 24 2011, 21:49:38 UTC
My brother in law uses to say: "I'm Christian, except for when I find myself in close proximity with other Christians, in which case I turn satanic and prone to human sacrifice". I feel for him every time I read things like this one (other half and I have long since given up on trying to be civil around our very religious family. It simply can't be done without bloodshed or heavy drinking, which is why we only see them around festivities).

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sparkindarkness March 27 2011, 21:45:41 UTC
heh I can understand his sentiment.

Bloodshed and heavy drinking arethe corner stones of our family gatherings

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