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imaginecoolname February 27 2016, 22:28:08 UTC
I'm so glad you're pointing this out, I was thinking the exact same thing! It doesn't make any sense that Dean would not worry about how Sam is handling being faced with his century-long tormentor like this - up close and personal in their home, wearing their friend. It would never be Dean's first, let alone his only, reaction to determinedly swear to save Cas no matter what, he would have worried about Sam instead. Especially since Sam's only just escaped the cage for the second time ( ... )

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smalltrolven February 28 2016, 19:46:31 UTC
Glad you got all that out, and I agree very much. Especially the bit about the writers not really honoring or even getting the brother relationship. Sad because it is completely unique on tv. Hope that you'll enjoy the "fix" that I come up with.

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amypond45 February 28 2016, 00:53:31 UTC
I think you make a really good point. I guess I accepted what the show gave us because: 1) Sam says something about "how did you spend your day?" and I figured they'd talked about Sam having to face Lucifer earlier, at least Dean saying something like, "How're ya doin'?" and Sam being all stoic because they've just "lost" their friend; and 2) Dean was so shell-shocked by his experience on the submarine, where he couldn't save a single soul, and all that for nothing because the Hand of God was a dud anyway (altho small win because Delphine was able to destroy the German ship).

Also, maybe Dean learned a new sigil for warding against archangels!

Looking forward to your fic...There's all that space in between (where is that dock vis a vis Lebanon, KS anyway? At least 1,000 miles away?)

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smalltrolven February 28 2016, 19:51:49 UTC
I know you're right that we're supposed to assume that Dean had already asked Sam if he was okay before they got to the dock. But I'm tired of having to assume that Dean is still the caring brother that we know he is, I want to see it. *greedyfan* Show us Sam being stoic in the car on the drive there or something...
But yes, I really hope Dean remembers the sigil thingie it might come in useful. And I found a nice big reservoir only 40 miles away from the bunker on google maps that I'm using for the setting of the story.

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amypond45 February 29 2016, 01:31:49 UTC
I'm always for showing more caring Dean! It feels like the show hasn't given us much of that lately, and that's frustrating. I go back to earlier seasons all the time (also I've learned that music vids really help when I need to find that particular mood for a fic! I can't believe how many awesome vids there are! I could waste ALL my time watching! Amazing talent, that ability to distill so many feels into a two-minute vid!)

Yeah for you finding a setting only 40 miles from the bunker! Can't wait to read!

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sailorhathor February 28 2016, 05:21:50 UTC
As much as I love this show, they drive me nuts with how much is not said. There are things that people in their particular situations would just HAVE to say, and they don't say it, not because of a lack of time or because of distance between Sam and Dean, but because the writers just go DUUUH or something. It doesn't make sense otherwise. Sometimes it seems to happen because it's more convenient for the plot, and those are the most frustrating non-conversations of all.

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smalltrolven February 28 2016, 19:53:00 UTC
Well all the unsaid stuff is rich fodder for fanfic writing! The not-conversations are super frustrating though at such crucial plot turning points.

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yellowbulma February 28 2016, 15:21:20 UTC
100% agree!! I mean Dean asked how Sam was when he got out of the cage, which was great. But then in this episode and the next nothing but they do have time to talk about Castiel?!

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smalltrolven February 28 2016, 19:54:18 UTC
That's true he did ask that when Sam got out of the cage, which was perfectly handled. Especially Sam being honest and saying no I'm not okay. But the big nada in this one just did not make sense to me.

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yellowbulma February 29 2016, 14:19:22 UTC
It's kinda reminding me of S7 when everyone kept asking if Dean was OK after Castiel's betrayal and "death" and while yes of course Dean would be upset and people should see if he is OK. But what about Sam? Castiel was his friend too and Castiel was the one that nearly killed him but no one asked Sam if he was OK.

Sigh I get why they didn't talk about it in the Vessel because Dean is clearly effected by what happened to him but I was expecting something in 11x15.

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