Ogi apologizes by insulting fandom some MOAR (rev.1)

[slashpine]

Ogi, thanks for more evidence of your social immaturity, your sexist bias, your utterly self-absorbed scientific twerpitude:

Apology [Sep. 3rd, 2009|06:24 am

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[jalendavi_lady]

I personally would find it hilarious if Ogas were to one day find out -- and he no doubt will -- something else that a lot of fandom knows and he apparently does not:

That posting fiction online for free or for pay without it being part of a contracted deal with a publisher is a lovely way to use up first distribution rights, and the secondary rights? Don't pay all that well in comparison.

('do you hope to get your fan novels published?' indeed. URGH.

Heck, if I didn't have doubts about outliving C.S. Lewis' copyright given the tradition of extension after extension in the name of Steamboat Willie, I'd be sitting on my Narnia fic and keeping it offline on the off-chance of being able to do just that -- because I know sticking it up on ff.net uses up first rights.)

[slashpine]

Too true! Maybe Ogi should just switch to fanfic. *g*

[akamarykate]

Here via linkspam, and I just have to tell you, I think it was somewhere around point #3 where I said, "This is absolutely brilliant!" right out loud. I love fandom for breaking down their psuedoscience and nonresearch-nonmethodology, and this just piles on the awesome by breaking down their rhetorical fail. *boggles and rereads*

[jalendavi_lady]

It's like they didn't realize We Has Research Geeks.

If we don't know about something, we know how to find someone who does.

I took two PSY classes for the sake of my hopefully-someday-published original works. I was a guinea pig survey-taker for class requirements. I know what the consent form is supposed to look like.

And we deal with language. A lot of language. More than a few write fan stuff and write for publication or for work in addition. My first fandom, Star Wars, even had at least one librarian writer over the fandom's history.

So don't hide stuff in language, particularly not when dealing with slashers, because there's a reason people run around with "Subtext=Buttsex" icons. Hint: it's not because ANAGRAMS R COOLZ. They will find what you really meant, even if it's not what your conscious mind thought you meant.

[homasse]

Their failure was to assume us silly, freaky, deviant women only used words for slash.

And so they never even thought that we knew the power of words, and better than OgiSai did. They underestimated us in more ways than one.

[slashpine]

Isn't that bizarre? Their whole concept was so skewed.

I mean, I'm almost entirely in slash fandom, but the fics? Are ... wow, like 25% ? 1/3? of what I love? Because there's also the chats and conversations, the kidding around and talking about cons, the icons and banners and fest recs, the reviewing and betaing and metaing and making plans to try to meet up sometime, and getting to know each other and talking about school and work and getting sick, people losing their parents or their oldest dog or cat, learning to knit, hating their job, setting up comms and figuring out coding and just trading silly memes.

Yeah. That's got to be way more than half of it. And I know other slash fans where it's more about the slash, and others for whom it's even less about the slash than for me.

But their survey never even asked about that. So much fail.

[homasse]

That was absolutely amazing, thank you.

This post not only breaks down everything wrong with that faux-apology perfectly (and did you see his apology to shaggirl? The one he deleted twice before any one could respond, imagine that--it was also nauseating), but just by being encapsulates what Ogi & Co didn't know but needed to about fandom: fandom is literate, fandom is analytical, and fandom will expose every tiny bit of indirect subtext within everything. In short: what fandom is.

Also, I have a youtube link of Ogi actually saying his opponent did math like a girl, as well as his faux-apology for that, too, if it helps.

[slashpine]

gosh! *blushes* Thank you for just reading it! LOL. It wasn't supposed to go on like that, but Ogi gives such good material. *g*

No, I missed the faux-pology to shaggirl - will have to hopefully catch on a screencap somewhere.

And OMG yes, his *other* apology! I should check that out! Hee. With literacy plus geekiness, fans must be surely be the most qualified people in the world to study geek failheads like Ogi. Thanks for commenting!

[homasse]

Someone commenting on my lj said they had a screencap, and they mailed it of to rm yesterday, and she's going to put it up on her link roundup, so it'll be out there soon.

The apology to shaggirl was...yeah, more passive-aggressive woe-is-me-crazy-fandom and seemed like it was trying to get back in good with her so he could potentially use her again--"I still hope there might be some possibility of reconciliation, and I stand ready to take any and all action that might lead to a restoration of our former ties."

It was...something, all right, and as soon as I read it, I was like, "...if you really feel like that, why are you saying it publicly?" Then he deleted it--twice!--which screamed to me that he wanted it up publicly so people would see him throwing himself on his sword, then realized "Oh, shit! People will be able to respond to me this way!" Had it only posted it then deleted it once, I wouldn't have thought anything other, but twice (and not for editing) makes me look at it funny

[slashpine]

...

wow.

Yeah. Um. I'm really kind of boggled by people with huge egos. I don't actually meet them very often, that may be part of it. But also, I feel like I just want to ask them bluntly, Barney Frank did: what planet are you from?

Seeing his apology appear and reappear must have been ROFL. Poor guy, ya gotta admit, this is one hell of a way to get introduced to LJ fandom. Being on unfunnybusiness your first week? LOL.

OTOH, he also sounds like he's uber-competitive, *loves* big fights, which is a major social squick for me. And Sai also wanted to "fight, fight, fight" - um, fight your research community? Srsly, that *is* trolling! or at least, one of the top 5 signs U R a Troll.

And they don't know the difference between working with/in fandom, and trolling? DING DING DING DING DING.

Oh look, the whole board lit up! HAY there, it's Mr. Troll - the "I'm here for science" version.

[acrimonyastraea]

You don't know me, but I am in love with this post. :D I want to be this academically indoctrinated.

[slashpine]

Oooh, thanks! *hugs your fellow aca-fan brain*

[acrimonyastraea]

^__^ I am only a wannabe aca-fan, though. Or maybe an aca-fan fan! I haven't ever managed to get it together enough to go to grad school.

[slashpine]

But your journal posts are totally cool! Pay no attention to that credential-waving crap like Ogi & Sai pulled! Obviously, it's what you say and do that stands on its own, as opposed to bragging and lying like them...

I found your journal posts very insightful on derailing and other topics, and I hope you don't mind that I friended you.

OMG you wrote about Al's Ogi/Sai fanart and what triggers are and aren't! And I am utterly in love with you now. *fangirls*

[avatar_jones]

So I've been hearing about this mess through the ELF half for the duration. I have to say things like this make me want to turn in my man union card. I really feel the need to apologise for my idiot bretheren. I don't know where or how so many men get these stupid ideas. I'm so very sorry there are guys like this out there, and they are, really out there...

[jumpuphigh]

*hugs* Sad to say but we are kind of used to it. Which makes guys like you even more valued.

[slashpine]

Long answer would start with my standard disclaimer about how thank goddess, many men *are not* that fail-brained, followed by something about how in any culture that slides into competitive hierarchies, the powerful classes will always stigmatize the less powerful in order to try to (fallaciously) justify their exploitation by, well, blaming the victim class. But of course, gender is not exclusively "power class" vs. "powerless" and plenty of the less powerful learn to play the same sorry-ass games as the powerful. And both power class members and wanna-bes come not to notice how faily and fallacious their reasoning actually is. On the spectrum of "really out there" lots of flavors of fail, tasting 31 varieties of bad...

Short answer (w/ humor): Fortunately, lots of men do *not* have logic circuits like this.

Hey, thanks for dropping by to view our fandom failscape! So scenic! *starts weeding*

*switches to bulldozer*