[an excerpt from a reply to another person's post/comment session]

[sinfidel]

* This is about religion, and my views, so.. read it if you want. *

Also, I know I don't usually talk about religion much in my LJ, but... I just wrote it all down, and got to wondering what all y'all's experiences/ thoughts on the subject are?

Please share.

Thank You.

- F.

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....also, I was raised muslim, but I think as we grow up,

Comments

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[sinfidel]

uhhh, YEAH!!!!...

duh.

[raptorgirl]

Yeah, I have a similar view on the existence of God. How can there not be something, you know?

Just for the record, I'm Christian and relatively serious about it.

[suspended_dusk]

I respect you and Faria's beliefs.

However, I am pretty damn close to being an Atheist.

You ask "how could there not be something?".

I ask "how could there be something?".

If there is, prove it with something more than a book of stories that have been re-written over and over by possibly corrupted hands.

Besides, I don't see how any loving God, Godess, or other deity could allow such suffering of its supposed creations.

That's just my opinion, though.

[sinfidel]

I can see how you would feel that way. I've thought the same question before myself.

I don't think anything written in any book is the "untainted word of a diety", but at the same time, that doesn't mean that I don't feel something larger than myself that makes sense out there...

KnowwhatImean?

I'm not saying do you AGREE, because you don't have to. I'm asking if you can kinda see what I'm saying, you know?

Hey, respect is key. its ok to think differently. it takes all kinds to make a world. all are valid. nobody knows for sure, right?!

[suspended_dusk]

I understand what you are saying.

I also think that respect is definitely the key, along with tolerance and accepting the fact that people are, or should be, free to believe what they want to.

[egbert]

Someday if I have more time, I might try to explain myself more thouroughly, but I truely do not believe in any god. None at all. Nada.

This is not a cynical or negative thing. I quite believe the universe is a rather amazing place. I just don't believe in any greater being that "created" it, or that's looking over us. Although I have no problem in handling the idea of smarter beings watching us or more likely experimenting on us. ;)

I guess I basically can accept the wonders of world as just "being" without needing to believe that something is behind it. And no, I don't think this concept is my version of "god" (I've had that thrown in my face more than once, and it's quite annoying).

hmm..

[sinfidel]

I can understand that, without trying to fit it into one of the boxes I choose to live in.

Interesting.

[sinfidel]

ps: please see what I wrote to AJ (below) to expand further on my thoughts on this...

[ex_aj492]

Well, since I am an atheist, I guess I have to comment

let me preface everything I say by saying I'm not trying to change your mind at all.

[sinfidel]

I don't think the wonders of the universe I experience are meant only for me because I am somehow superior.

I think the universe is wonderful and complex and at the same time something simple and beautiful at its core (hey mr sarcasm, not the literal molten core, eh! youknowwhatImean!)...

Re: let me preface everything I say by saying I'm not trying to change your mind at all.

[egbert]

Well I probably don't need to say it, but I of course agree with AJ on this. Note: nothing written here is antagonistic or argumentative, I'm just rambling =:)

But to elaborate just a bit, beleiving that the universe is one great big accident isn't sad to me. I think it's kinda hilarious. And not believing in god doesn't make any of it non-special, nor even your life.

In fact, you could argue it makes your life MORE special. You're here and it's no one elses creation or doing, it just "is". And what you make of it is your and yours alone. You are the creator of your entire life and what it means. That's special.

You want to piss it away moping around or doing nothing that matters, go for it! It's your life. I choose to go another route and try to enjoy life, and make the life of those important to me more special. And it's all ME baby!

Well, that's my two cents. And I do mean MY two cents.

Re: let me preface everything I say by saying I'm not trying to change your mind at all.

[ex_aj492]

To say that everything is an accident is not at all sad, I agree.

But by "accident", I mean that the probablitiy of any of this existing is so tiny that I suppose you could call the universe a miracle. We are, essentially, the result of a coin being flipped ten million times and always coming up heads (Have you ever read that Tom Stoppard play?).

How many eggs does a human female produce in a lifetime, and how many sperm come into play when it's time to fertilise the bastard? The odds that the exact genetic code that makes up YOU would come into existence are ridiculously small. That can be called a miracle.

But it's not, it's just how things happened. And if you had not existed, or if the world were not what it is, we wouldn't know anyways. All we see is what worked, not the infinite possibile things that do not work.

Again, I just don't understand how one can insist that there HAS to be a creator or God or gods.

[bynkii]

God's never been a problem area for me. I look at the elegance of the universe, the way the laws that govern it work, and how complicated it is, yet how well it functions, and that's god. The joy i feel every time someone looks at a problem just a little differently and solves it better than anyone...that's god. Every time I read about some scientist saying "We thought things worked this way, but guess what, we were wrong. You know what? We may be wrong again. But that's half the fun", that's god

[sinfidel]

as time goes on I see more and more why mell is so butt-crazy in love with you.