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newredshoes July 6 2008, 04:08:48 UTC
...I don't know how I took "cold dead fish on a wheel" away from all that, but I certainly hope the bad taste goes away soon.

Er, not any literal cold dead fish. Which--

You know what, never mind. My imagination is doing odd things with literalism. Go have some tea!

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silveraspen July 6 2008, 05:19:34 UTC
... tea's a really good idea! Much better than fish.

Here, I'll even share.

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nepheliad July 6 2008, 04:16:47 UTC
Doctor Who is supposed to be about adventures and awesomeness and other worlds and times and all sorts of wonderful and incredible things, not an angst-ridden and dramatic romantic soppy soap opera of a love story.

This is why I stopped watching New Who and like to entertain myself with old episodes; I've been reading people's entries and keeping up with what the series has been doing, and while I have occasional moments of regret, they're pretty much gone now.

You have coherented my keysmash for me. (And I really liked Grace Holloway as a character, too.)

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silveraspen July 6 2008, 05:13:24 UTC
When New Who gets it right, it really does get it right. I can think of several episodes that have sent chills up my back and made me squeak aloud at the screen in glee.

But stuff like this poisons the whole.

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ashen_key July 6 2008, 04:28:05 UTC
Doctor Who is supposed to be about adventures and awesomeness and other worlds and times and all sorts of wonderful and incredible things, not an angst-ridden and dramatic romantic soppy soap opera of a love story.

Yes.

This.

This is why I'm not really watching anymore (well, that and the decided lack of going places that aren't Earth), just reading people's reactions.

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silveraspen July 6 2008, 05:12:12 UTC
I just. When New Who gets it right, oh man does it EVER get it right, you know? And I was so hopeful at what we might have been building to, what with all the hints about the Doctor's past and the Time War and all.

But then stuff like this happens. And it all falls through into a sodden mass of blech.

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silveraspen July 6 2008, 05:08:32 UTC
To focus -- and limit, I'd argue -- that kind of all-encompassing love to one person is to both cheapen and undermine the main point of the show.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. Which is what I was trying to get at with the focus on the 'romantic soap opera' in my remarks above. Doctor + People = OTP, NOT Doctor + One Person.

In short, you're right, we're not disagreeing. *wry*

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batyatoon July 6 2008, 16:27:35 UTC
To focus -- and limit, I'd argue -- that kind of all-encompassing love to one person is to both cheapen and undermine the main point of the show.

So I went looking for this one lyric that this line of yours brought to mind:

Sometimes I see you, wouldn't wanna be you, you're like the sun
You rise and shine, but you're not mine, you shine on everyone

(And then I started to reread the rest of the lyrics and, well ... this may be a post of its own soon.)

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saphyria July 6 2008, 06:13:40 UTC
Was I the only one who had DiR character-bleed about the memory thing?

...and, despite not liking the ship (since I don't), the whole "Doctor, I love you! Weren't you going to say it back?" "Do I have to?" thing at the beach made me want the Doctor to pay a visit to his friendly neighborhood Old One to find out what happens when you give no proof of returned love to a human who loves you.

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batyatoon July 6 2008, 16:28:17 UTC
I knew this was coming because of what you pinged me with last night.

Dammit.

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