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Comment Catcher: Strong Medicine, Weak Categories siderea July 31 2016, 02:25:43 UTC
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Re: Comment Catcher: Strong Medicine, Weak Categories sauergeek July 31 2016, 04:03:24 UTC
The whole point of the FDA having a "nutritional supplement" category is to allow people the freedom to buy and sell substances of speculative benefit.

The FDA started cracking down on the entire industry in the early 1990s, before there was a nutritional supplement category. Turns out, a nontrivial number of nutritional supplement makers are in Utah, and Senator Orrin Hatch became their champion. He's done more than most -- possibly more than anyone -- to keep nutritional supplements unregulated. In exchange, he's gotten ridiculous numbers of campaign contributions from the industry. I'd much rather have no nutritional supplement category, and I suspect that there will be multiple attempts to get rid of it the instant Hatch leaves the Senate.

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Re: Comment Catcher: Strong Medicine, Weak Categories alexx_kay July 31 2016, 04:37:10 UTC
Editorial:

"What the FDA does regulate foods for a few things ( ... )

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Re: Comment Catcher: Strong Medicine, Weak Categories lyorn July 31 2016, 14:51:52 UTC
IMO, in many cases with nutritional supplements, it is quite well known what it does, because that stuff has been used for ages and a bunch of observations on it has been gathered.

It's just that, as you say, no one has a motivation to shell out the money to get a certificate for it.

Also, boggling at 100% pure caffeine. I see the appeal to great stupidity there...

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lauradi7 July 31 2016, 12:52:38 UTC
The overlap between prescription meds and OTC supplements is sometimes odd. My father was told by his primary care person (a VA nurse practitioner) to take calcium and D3. She wrote a prescription, ordered it through the VA pharmacy so that he got the low co-pay deal, etc. When it became clear that my parents have trouble swallowing the massive calcium pills, we switched to the sugary gummy versions, which I buy for them at Walgreens at a fairly high price. Is it the candyfication that makes it not possible to prescribe? The efficacy seems the same, based on their blood test results. My MD told me to take D3 also, without suggesting that it be a prescription med. I went to a drug store and carefully read all the labels to compare inactive ingredients. I knew much of what you said (but you said it so well!) but there are still weird areas.

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gipsieee August 3 2016, 05:08:22 UTC
Oddly, prescription vitamin D is actually D2, which is 1 step removed from the form our body uses most easily. That is D3, the kind available OTC.

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nancylebov August 1 2016, 02:22:53 UTC
If the only problem with powdered caffeine is getting the dose right, couldn't it be mixed with something inert so the dosage isn't so finicky?

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siderea August 1 2016, 02:33:28 UTC
Yes?

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fredrickegerman August 2 2016, 00:30:47 UTC
That, right there, is pretty much no-doze.

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gipsieee August 3 2016, 05:10:40 UTC
Yes, usually lactose* in the practice of pharmacy. In theory, I know how to do powder dilutions sufficient to measure immeasurably small quantities of a powder for accurate dosing. In practice, I have never had reason to do so since that one lab during pharmacy school and no one actually assayed the results of our labwork so some significant portion of the class likely did it wrong anyways.

*Not a single person in pharmacy school was able to sufficiently answer my questions about whether someone who was lactose intolerant would have issues with medications formulated with lactose as an inactive ingredient. And I bothered several faculty members with this question.

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gipsieee August 3 2016, 05:12:16 UTC
Misbranding vs adulteration is a remarkably brain-bendy set of things to look up. Some are absolutely straightforward, others are remarkably aggravating... but I should go to sleep because I don't actually remember any of the specific examples that bothered me.

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