On Donkey Play and Relationships to Money

[shipitfish]

It was suggested to me not long ago (offline) that the primary reason I post hand details of bad plays where I point out donkey plays is that somehow I can't handled the losses and/or variance. The implication seems to be that someone who says boy, what a donkey play I made must be deeply upset over that loss because the money

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good point

[tmckearney]

This is a point I'm trying to make to myself right now. Whenever I play, for money or not, and someone draws out on me, I float between "What the F*** was that guy thinking!?" to "Wait... what did I do there? Did I play it right

[joshuagay]

I find that, in most anything, if a person proclaims stupidity after the fact, it isn't a sign of lack of confidence or low-self-esteem or other types of issues. It seems pretty normal. Unless of course they harp on it like a broken record, then it just seems obsessive. But if they harp on it from various angles or with inquisitively, then they just seem smart.

On the other hand, if they disclaim themselves before hand, with warnings or excuses, then I start to get worried. My mind starts to wonder if they have emotional insecurities or if they are about to dupe me. :-)

[shipitfish]

Indeed. A classic poker scenario is “I know I'm beat, but I'm going
to call”, as if this some how excuses a terrible play. It's about
the psychology of the loser, who can't give up to the idea that they are
being tricked. Good players get tricked sometimes, but better to be
tricked than to do stupid things and excuse it. Call if you think you can
win with the proper odds you're being offered. Fold if you can't.

As for self analysis, I tend to drone on more about my poker mistakes
than most people, but mainly it's because I really want to understand how
to prevent them and figure out why I made them. But, it's true I should
try not rattle on for too long. :)

I can call myself a donkey...but can I call *you* a donkey?

[nick_marden]

I had a fascinating experience last night at Jay's game here in Boston

Re: I can call myself a donkey...but can I call *you* a donkey?

[shipitfish]

Nick, I think you should make this a fresh post in your journal. :)

Meanwhile, I ultimately think it's a bad idea to actually talk about
poker hands at the table with other players. There aren't many games
where this is appropriate, because most people who aren't very good
players are terribly fragile about the whole thing. I see the best way to
do it is to play your game, do so quietly, and then talk later with people
who have a clue about what was right/wrong about what everyone did.

Also, my views on poker are generally changing; I don't actually find
playing as enjoyable as I used to. It's become somewhat of a money thing
- I play to get money, and the enjoyable part is talking about
whether I did the right thing with smart people afterwards. The playing,
in other words, is like the boring data collection phase of an experiment,
and the results and debate of the results are what's interesting.

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