Long, Not Terribly Coherent Fandom Post

Feb 26, 2014 12:58

I've been mulling this over for the last few weeks, trying to get my thoughts together. Probably, I won't be able to write down what is perfectly clear in my head, but here goes.

It seems I may not be mono-fandom any more, and it's all Shakespeare's fault.

Musings behind cut, with spoilers for the two Thor movies (should anyone care), and ( ( Read more... )

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kikimay February 26 2014, 13:43:10 UTC
The Buffyverse character I think Loki most resembles, btw, is Ethan Rayne.

Really? It makes a lot of sense! (Since now I've read only comparisons with Spike, but just because they are both very beloved by the fandom and, maybe, because they're both the underdog, I guess)
It's nice to see you involved with Thor and Loki because I'm also fannish about them. I don't care much about the other Avengers, even if Natasha is really cool, but I'm pretty involved with the Norse Bros Saga. They are interesting.

Their dynamic kinda echoes the Spike/Angel one, true, but to me it echoes mostly the Buffy/Faith one (And, yes, there are things in common with both couples)

Funny thing is that I was madly fangirling all the year and now I'm more clam and fangirlish again about the Buffyverse. XD

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shapinglight February 26 2014, 14:23:22 UTC
Really? It makes a lot of sense! (Since now I've read only comparisons with Spike, but just because they are both very beloved by the fandom and, maybe, because they're both the underdog, I guess)Well, there aren't exact comparisons, of course. Loki has some Spike-like traits too, notably the emotional vulnerability, the volatility and the inferiority complex. There's also a trickster/truthteller element to Spike's characterisation, especially pre-soul and in AtS season 5. But when he gets his soul, the chaos-bringer aspect of him is toned down a lot, whereas that's the core of Loki's personality and why investing in any kind of Loki redemption story (more than happened in the second Thor film anyway) is probably to be on a hiding to nothing. That's why I think he resembles Ethan in some respects. Maybe Loki's more a fusion of Ethan and Spike combined ( ... )

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kikimay February 26 2014, 18:41:46 UTC
As far as I know, Tom Hiddleston has the contract for 6 Marvel movies. I don't remember where I read it - I should search the source - but I remember that he said something like that, so there will be more Loki. :D

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shapinglight February 27 2014, 12:59:20 UTC
:)

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shapinglight February 27 2014, 12:59:02 UTC
Hello. Nice to see you. So glad you loved Coriolanus. I'm really looking forward to reading your post when you get around to it (though admittedly have not seen the Ralph Fiennes version).

There's some really fantastic Thorverse fic, and then there are literally THOUSANDS of terrible stories, but if you want, I'm happy to send you some links.

Oh, yes please! Actually, wasn't it you that linked me to that rather good Jane Foster/Loki fic? Stupidly, I did not bookmark it on Ao3 and now I've lost it. I still like the idea of Loki and Jane (see icon), but also find Loki weirdly asexual. He's a very cerebral character - one reason why I find Thor/Loki fics hard to read. The sex just...I can't cope with it. If the story's good enough I expect I could grit my teeth and skim that bit, though.

and he seems very invested in Loki being a trickster, not out and out evil. But I know what you mean - I feel a bit nervous about the whole idea of the third Thor film because as far as I'm concerned, they left Loki in a fantastic place at the end of ( ... )

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singedbylife February 26 2014, 17:04:48 UTC
I think Hiddleston is amazing and that Helmsworth is as exiting as a cardboard figure.

That being said, oh my, of course it cannot go on forever, you being solely a Buffy/AtS fan and Hiddleston is impossible not to like/admire.

I came into this fandom in 2011. Especially 4 writers immediately attracted my attention and they which were Shylahmask, you, Whichclothes and Spike's evilbint. Only you are still around in the fandom now which smarts a bit but that's what happens when I find something fantastic more than a decade too late. You should do whatever you want to do, write about whatever inspires you. Your post are never dull, so even though I'm not going to become a Thor fan, I'll probably read every post just the same.

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shapinglight February 28 2014, 13:12:58 UTC
I think Hiddleston is amazing and that Helmsworth is as exiting as a cardboard figure.

;) Aww, Hemsworth - or Thor at least - is a total sweetheart.

Not my type, though. Have to admit. Thor is a bit like Angel. He needs other characters around him to make him interesting.

you being solely a Buffy/AtS fan and Hiddleston is impossible not to like/admire.

Well, as I said, I don't know if that's really changed. There are lots of other shows I love. I did get very fannish about GoT, for instance, when it started, and still love it - but the fact that the story is already written makes it more difficult to get invested. You could invest in a particular 'ship, for instance, only for someone who has read the books to tell you you're wasting your time because one of the characters ends up dead, or something.

I'm glad you like my posts. I will still be posting about Buffyverse stuff too. And hopefully writing some ficlets, if nothing else.

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slaymesoftly February 26 2014, 19:20:16 UTC
Loki = Ethan Rayne - absolutely!

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shapinglight February 28 2014, 13:14:47 UTC
Well, there are definite similarities - though I think Ethan is, if anything, even more mischievous. As yourlibrarian points out below, Loki actually wants to be king of Asgard. Ethan just wants to cause chaos.

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snickfic February 26 2014, 19:39:50 UTC
Even if you did get into comics, they might have little or no relation to anything happening in the movies. I'm not sure if the MCU's Loki characterization is related to some specific arc of comics, but it certainly isn't the current one.

I think I will make an except for SHIELD to see Sif. :D And Thor 2 was just released in the states, so I should be getting that from Netflix soon. Yay.

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shapinglight February 28 2014, 13:18:57 UTC
I'm not sure if the MCU's Loki characterization is related to some specific arc of comics, but it certainly isn't the current one.

Well, I'm familiar with a lot of the old stuff (as detailed in that Marvel Loki Wiki I linked you to) and I'd say it isn't related to earlier arcs either.

Though Loki does have a history of abruptly switching sides, and not always for purely evil reasons (usually self-serving, though).

I hope you enjoy Thor 2. It's not a great movie or anything, but pretty good for Thor and Loki fans (and Jane Foster/Gang of Wacky Sidekicks fans - oh, and Thor/Jane fans, all of which I am).

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snickfic February 28 2014, 20:50:06 UTC
BTW, I have been meaning to tell you that a Tumblr friend of mine has suddenly gotten the Thor/Loki bug, and has been posting a ton of graphics of them, together and separate, and also just of Hemsworth and Hiddleston. So if you feel like you would like some eyecandy, you might check her out.

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shapinglight February 28 2014, 20:57:35 UTC
Ooh, thanks very much!

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