Тут тема более интересная. Катки действительно похожи на "виккерс", но форма солдат явно немецкая. Стало быть, это трофей вермахта, который дожил с 1932-го года.
Short barreled Gun of Renault BS 75mm Schnaider is of different shape, it's much shorter (almost half long of Puteaux 37mm), Has recoil mechanism above the barrel. Rt BS didn't have the MG in opposite wall of turret, turret was also significantly bigger. For me on image is dual weapon turret designed in 1929yr. by WIBI.
Фото из справочника Хейгля сильно ретушировано. На нам башня похожа на башню Renault BS 75mm Schnaider, на вид меньшего размера. Вполне возможно польские конструкторы просто уменьшили ее и установили в ней пулемет и пушку 37 мм.
Turret wz.1932 (dual weapons - coaxial) In 1932, a new model was constructed. New mount for the 37mm Puteaux cannon and Hothkiss wz.29 machine gun was constructed. The mount was made of molded armored plate 20mm thick. It give a possibility of guiding weapons in two axes, and allowed for observation of the target with two telescopes. Mount with coaxial weapons was mounted in the front oriel of the turret. Turret have an inner diameter of 1000 mm and a height of 700 mm. Armor thickness as the original Renault turret but weighed about 14 kg more. The top plate was closed with hatch cover of “special construction” (?), on both hatch sides was planed to place two Gundlach reverse Periscopes and sleeves for Słupski signal Flags. In the year of 1936. turret was considered successful project, six such towers were commissioned in Starachowice Plant (Zakłady Starachowickie ) for modernization of Renault FT TSF.
It is known one photograph of this turret taken during it's tests, being mounted on one of polish Renault (FT) Kegresse-Hinstin M26/
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Жаль, что на последнем фото почти полностью закрыта ходовая, а в польских архивах случайно не сохранились фото этих экспериментальных танков, кстати читал, что 9ТР успели построить, может и его фото пылится где-нибудь в архиве. Томас спасибо за фото и информацию, а свои комментарии не дублируйте, по настройке моего журнала я должен их раскрыть, что бы они стали видны.
кстати читал, что 9ТР успели построить, может и его фото пылится где-нибудь в архиве.
Thats thrue. Two prototypes of 9TP were build. One of BS PZInż and one of BBTBrPanc., for testing trials was prepared third tank (7TP from rebuild C7P).
Till now there is no photos known because both prototypes were either destroyed by URSUS factory workers or fall in germans hands, third testing tank was evacuated. In polish archives are reports from testing both prototypes and a comparison drawing of both.
P.S. There is some photos with visible polish prototypes taken by Germans as they occupy URSUS factory (by example Germans with PZInż 130 in background) So... who knows maybe one day someone will post one with 9TP or 14TP mock-up on e-bay ^_^
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Катки действительно похожи на "виккерс", но форма солдат явно немецкая. Стало быть, это трофей вермахта, который дожил с 1932-го года.
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Rt BS didn't have the MG in opposite wall of turret, turret was also significantly bigger.
For me on image is dual weapon turret designed in 1929yr. by WIBI.
Here is the Rt BS 75mm for compare:
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In 1932, a new model was constructed.
New mount for the 37mm Puteaux cannon and Hothkiss wz.29 machine gun was constructed.
The mount was made of molded armored plate 20mm thick.
It give a possibility of guiding weapons in two axes, and allowed for observation of the target with two telescopes.
Mount with coaxial weapons was mounted in the front oriel of the turret.
Turret have an inner diameter of 1000 mm and a height of 700 mm.
Armor thickness as the original Renault turret but weighed about 14 kg more.
The top plate was closed with hatch cover of “special construction” (?), on both hatch sides was planed to place two Gundlach reverse Periscopes and sleeves for Słupski signal Flags.
In the year of 1936. turret was considered successful project, six such towers were commissioned in Starachowice Plant (Zakłady Starachowickie ) for modernization of Renault FT TSF.
It is known one photograph of this turret taken during it's tests, being mounted on one of polish Renault (FT) Kegresse-Hinstin M26/ ( ... )
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Thats thrue.
Two prototypes of 9TP were build.
One of BS PZInż and one of BBTBrPanc., for testing trials was prepared third tank (7TP from rebuild C7P).
Till now there is no photos known because both prototypes were either destroyed by URSUS factory workers or fall in germans hands, third testing tank was evacuated. In polish archives are reports from testing both prototypes and a comparison drawing of both.
P.S.
There is some photos with visible polish prototypes taken by Germans as they occupy URSUS factory (by example Germans with PZInż 130 in background) So... who knows maybe one day someone will post one with 9TP or 14TP mock-up on e-bay ^_^
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