random drive by AIG moment

Mar 19, 2009 10:32

A couple of days ago I was talking about how the market, as far as I can tell, is schizophrenic ( Read more... )

finances, economic death spiral 2008

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wrenlet March 19 2009, 15:55:05 UTC
I know right? It's like when Alan Greenspan finally admitted there was a "flaw in his worldview" because he expected the people running public companies to behave rationally. The stock market has NEVER been a wholly rational venture; the Tulip Mania of the 1600s wasn't a bug, it's an endemic feature of the system.

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seperis March 19 2009, 22:18:58 UTC
It just blows the mind, doesn't it? *facepalm* Welcome to human psychology, Greenspan.

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ladycat777 March 19 2009, 15:56:45 UTC
Because it doesn't really have anything to do with AIG, persay. You've got two things going on here. The first is that national numbers are starting to look better: less layoffs planned, a smidge more hiring, the housing numbers are good. The market is seeing a floor, and the market likes floors. Personally, I think 'floor' is the wrong term here, but so says the economist I live with, so thus do I call it. Anyway. Everything is edging up slightly, and staying consistently up if you can call 'a week' consistent, because of that. It's got nothing to do with specific companies.

The second issue is specific to AIG: what the AIG CEO said to Congress yesterday. He played mea culpa. Granted, it was a smarmy form of mea culpa, but it removed the war of chicken AIG and the government were involved in, and it put both parties back on their respective sides of the street. Frankly, Congress' new measure to tax AIG's benefits may have long term repercussions, in that it might kill the way the industry has come to rely on bonuses (I am ( ... )

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seperis March 19 2009, 15:58:55 UTC
The only people genuinely punished are the ones who got the bonuses and who haven't done anything wrong.

I would disagree flatly with that.

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ladycat777 March 19 2009, 16:01:09 UTC
How so?

Sorry, didn't mean to sound so argumentative about it.

Can you explain, though? Because everything I've read so far (and there are conflicting reports, totally) says that the employees who received the bonuses weren't the same employees who played fast and loose with the market. It's a separate division.

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seperis March 19 2009, 16:06:13 UTC
I don't see losing a bonus for total incompetence in a company that is taking money from the government a kind of punishment.

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mrshamill March 19 2009, 16:06:28 UTC

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piplover March 19 2009, 18:13:17 UTC
LMAO!

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imkalena March 19 2009, 18:56:03 UTC
AHAHAHAHAHA

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seperis March 19 2009, 22:26:31 UTC
*PURRS*

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anonymous March 19 2009, 16:33:12 UTC
Exactly. This is what the billions handed over to AIG are a proof of: we cannot allow AIG to go under, regardless of what it takes ( ... )

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seperis March 19 2009, 22:31:25 UTC
Oh man, it is gambling. I think that's why I enjoy watching and very low-priced playing with it. So it's pretty much always an eternal mystery how anyone who doesn't do this professionally can make money except by accident (literally, the only time I've made money was with Bank of America buying and selling bumps, and I was doing it for very low returns, mostly just to see if I could) or on purpose. And not have some kind of nervous breakdown. Unless, you know, they have weight in how it goes, which is kind of obvious they do.

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anonymous March 19 2009, 23:59:22 UTC
Oh yes, this is the other part of gambling: the odds are subtly stacked against the players and the bank always wins over the long term, that's the whole point of running a gambling joint. It's random... except that the house makes money while the gamblers tend to lose money over the long term.

And the final piece of this? Is that the gambling industry is so profitable that it is generally controlled by crooks, if not organized crime.

Note: I am not going to examine this last too closely though, because I am unclear on what goes on in Las Vegas casinos owned by indian tribes. They could be an exception to this last, for all I know... but I doubt it, human nature being what it is.

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seperis March 20 2009, 05:12:11 UTC
MY LOVE IS PURE. *GLEE*

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