His band of...?

[selenak]

Ever since the news of the Joss Whedon Much Ado broke, there have been all kind of delightful interviews with the actors involved. Now, one of the few who aren't from the Jossian pool of actors from shows past and movie present were the comedy duo BriTANIck, aka Brian McElhaney and Nick Kocher, who play two of the watchmen (and thus have their

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[ide_cyan]

Ob Joss quote in your icon: ...has anyone found a work in which Joss's heroes do, in fact, bugger each other senseless?

[selenak]

Re: quote, as I recall it was a reply during an online discussion about slash, in which the previous poster had written: "They (Spike and Angel) are heroes, and in my world, heroes don't bugger each other." Whereupon Joss gave the reply quoted in the icon.

[ide_cyan]

*nods*

But I mean... has he walked the walk, for all that talk? Unless there's some canon Steve/Tony in The Avengers that hasn't leaked out yet, I struggle to think of any homosexual heroes in his works.

[leviathan0999]

Are you sure Will thought of Hal/Henry as the same character from IV to V? I mean, I've often wanted to meet Edward Asner, just so I could ask him if he viewed Lou Grant in Lou Grant as the same character as Lou Grant in The Mary Tyler Moore Show. It's always seemed perfectly feasible to me that he didn't. Maybe Shakespeare thought the same way of Hal and Henry?

[selenak]

Will made a great deal of self referencing in V; everybody from the French to the lords to the tavern crowd brings up Henry's wild youth (and how much he's reformed now), Bardolph's death is a direct follow up to one of Hal's jokes in IV, and he took the trouble to giving Mistress Quickley that long speech about Falstaff's death, so yes, I do think he thought of them as the same character.

However I'm completely willing to believe he thought of Marc Antony in Julius Caesar and Antony in Antony and Cleopatray as two different characters.:)

[estepheia]

Lol, your character analysis of Hal/Henry is amusing. I don't quite agree, but it's been such a long time that I studied those plays, I'm no longer able to argue cogently on the subject. :-)

I'm not sure I want a new Much Ado. *sulk*

[selenak]

Whyever not? Great plays are endlessly interpretable. That's why we keep staging them, so I really don't get why there should only be one film version of same. (I definitely think Kenneth Branagh would not agree, either. Considering he filmed several plays that were filmed before.)

[boot_the_grime]

LOL I always thought Henry was a jerk, especially in Henry V. And I also always thought that Shakespeare knew full well he was portraying him as a jerk, but that he could get away with it and that the masses will still think of it as a patriotic play and all that. There's one scene in which it's obvous the one where the Welsh guy compares Henry (and his slaughtering of the prisoners) to "Alexander the Pig".

Or rather, I always knew it since I actually read the play. Movie adaptations always downplay that aspect and portray Henry in a more flattering light.

I love that comparison between Fanon!Spike and Canon!Spike. I'm a huge Spike fan, but for me that means "canon Spike", of course. I have very little patience for that nearly unrecognizable character that is Fanon!Spike, he's really boring and one-dimensional.

[boot_the_grime]

Before I forget, other characters from BtVS also have their weird fanon versions. I don't really read fanfics much, but I do know about these characters from forums and LJ discussions and such.

Besides the woobie Fanon!Spike aka Saint Spike the Whitewashed Knight, another completely unbearable character is Fanon!Bangel!Angel, who is a complete idiot, because even though he never did anything wrong in his entire life and is so warm and cuddly and harmless and noble, he is constantly feeling guilty and trying to redeem himself for the crimes that some completely different guy called "Angelus" did. He even talks about that guy in 1st person singular, treats his friends and ex-girlfriends as if they were his own, and goes on and on about this other guy's crimes as if he committed them. I have no idea why nobody has put that lunatic in an asylum already.