Heroes 3.08 Villains

[selenak]

Flashback time! *settles down with the popcorn*

Comments

[wee_warrior]

Just a heads up: After Lenny/Flint, your whole text is in italics. I assume that's not on purpose.

This makes the Haitian the only current black character, since Monica hasn't been back on screen yet.

I read an interview with the actress recently, and it seems very unlikely that she will be back. They were planning to wrap up her storyline in Episode 5, but I guess that got lost in the shuffle somehow.

I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, except that Elle's characterization was too off for me, and that while I agree that Eden wouldn't have fit here because of certain Season One moments, the storyline itself fits her a lot better than Elle, and actually is partly her storyline with both Chandra and Mohinder.

Loved Hiro almost waking up for Nathan as well. And yes, the dog was called "Izzie."

[selenak]

Given the pie, I think the Eden/Elle parallel was definitely deliberate. (And begs the question: who bakes those pies, since clearly neither Eden nor Elle did? Is there a bakery who delivery to the Company?) Which doesn't mean her characterisation is less bewildering given what we know from s2, but then again, she's playing a role most times we've seen her there, for both Peter and Mohinder. Still, the "he had a soul!" is incompatible with Elle not understanding what the problem was Bob had with her grilling Irish pubowners, so I hear you. But I am fond of the idea of her being on a mission with HRG that involved him being more ruthless than her pre-show, so I'm still torn.

Pity about Monica. Though I thought we wouldn't see Meredith again since she wasn't in s2, so who knows? *holds out hope*

[selenak]

Loved the conversation where Angela asks Arthur if he tried to have Nathan killed. Their interaction reminded me of Peter and Nathan's too, in a way: "I need to hear you say it." followed by the lie.

You can see why Angela is projecting herself and Arthur on Peter and Nathan, in addition to the physical similarities between respective parents and children. (Best family casting ever.) Though she is ignoring that both Peter and Nathan aren't replicas but their own people in addition to being a mixture of both their parents, not just one.

[astrogirl2]

But all this talk about his soul really makes me conclude we're supposed to see him as the Heroes version of either Spike or Angel, and either way - no. Just no.

Yeah, seriously. You know, I'd been sort of going along with what they were doing with Sylar's character this season. I wasn't thrilled about it, but I was going along with it. But this episode does really indicate to me that they are going for total woobification of the guy, and just... Ugh. It's such a damned shame. First-season Sylar was a mysterious, creepy, very scary bad guy, which was cool. Second season Sylar was a complex, layered bad guy, with a twisted psychology you could sort of vaguely sympathize with even while finding his actions utterly reprehensible and inexcusable... which is my very favoritest kind of bad guy. But currently they seem to be aiming to convince us that no, he's a good guy, really! He's just an innocent victim of his power, and of those meanies at the Company! And it's losing me

Re: Part two

[selenak]

It would be a nice slice into Angela's storyline to see her and Arthur before it all went to hell. I imagine he once actually loved her and didn't just take her memories away.

If he hadn't loved her even in these flashbacks, he wouldn't have bothered with lying to her to begin with. (The first time she asked.) In this family, people can do horrible things to each other while still feeling love. I think we're heading to a Lady of Shanghai showdown with Arthur and Angela this season - "killing you would be like killing myself, but in truth I've grown sick of both of us".

[selenak]

The show has several outs re: Nathan and his father's manner of death, and yours works as much for me as mine in the review does

[vitruvian23]

I'm a little confused aa to why Arthur couldn't use the same mind push power on Nathan as he did on Angela, though.

Also, Mohinder couldn't have been in New York yet, because this was clearly at a point in Sylar's timeline before he'd met and killed Chandra.

It also seems apparent that the current Heroes episodes are stuck back in 2007. After all, S1 was leading up to the November 2006 elections and the explosion right after, and there's complete correspondence between the events of Six Months Ago back then and events in Villains that are at most eighteen months ago. Therefore, Hiro and Ando in Africa can be no later than November 2007, a full year ago.

[vitruvian23]

So, how would the results of a mind push be any different than him simply talking Nathan out of it? Wouldn't it look suspicious either way? I mean, even if it derails Nathan's career because it's obvious that he's too much under the influence of his old man, surely Arthur would find that (and then having whoever took over the prosecution killed, if necessary) preferable to having his own son killed? Also, it seems like Nathan is the driving force behind the investigation, so it's not even necessarily the case that others would take up that mantle.

I really don't see the argument that it takes mind controlling more than one person (Nathan) to avoid the situation as it developed.