The Woman in White, some BSG recs, and statistics

Jan 23, 2005 16:36

You know, I've yet to encounter a version of The Woman in White, except for a German tv miniseries, which does not change one crucial plot element. (The Woman in White, dear readers, is a Victorian mystery/thriller written by Charles Dickens' pal Wilkie Collins, the Thomas Harris of his day, who was a rather unorthodox gentleman living with two ( Read more... )

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searose January 23 2005, 16:58:37 UTC
I've only read the book (long time ago), and I've never seen a production.

They changed that? I don't consider it so hard to understand, especially if the audience is *told* the gentleman would lose his status, his property and his money to a legitimate heir (no matter how distant, or to the Crown/government). That seems reason enough for motivation.

In these productions with the substitution of a rape - is this rape a witnessed thing? I mean, a servant's word against a gentleman in those days - the gentleman could easily destroy the character of his accuser in public.

I don't know if this was true or common practice, but Michael Crichton in The Great Train Robbery made mention of male sufferers of sexual diseases searching out virgins since having sex with a virgin was a spurious cure for those ailments. The scene in the book had a young but experienced prostitute selling her 'virginity' to a gentleman in need of a cure. (The movie substituted Leslie Ann Down's character for this act, which did not even near completion. Nor ( ... )

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selenak January 23 2005, 17:13:54 UTC
Well, I don't consider it hard to understand, either, but then I am a history buff.

In these productions with the substitution of a rape - is this rape a witnessed thing? I mean, a servant's word against a gentleman in those days - the gentleman could easily destroy the character of his accuser in public.Exactly! One of the film versions (the one with the 12, 13 years old Anne raped as backstory) had her writing about it and depositing the pages in the late Mrs. Fairlie's coffin (as a substitution for the church registry proving Glyde was illegitimate, plot-wise, for the showdown). The ALW musical had Anne raped at age 16 and pregnant, but neither case provided a witness other than herself, in which case, as I said above, Sir Percival would never have worried ( ... )

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searose January 23 2005, 17:58:08 UTC
I'm trying to think (ha!), a way to make the past rape fit logically.

If Anne *hadn't* been a servant, if she'd been, say, a relative of the next-in-line (young wife?). But then it wouldn't be Collins' story, even if the accuser had the status to back up her allegations and make them a hard threat. (Would a society woman break silence, though?)

The history buff thing. I've never seen a production of Pride and Prejudice that *didn't* have the entailed estate mentioned, meaning that the sisters would be destitute once their father died. That seems to work there; people recognize the dilemma.

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selenak January 23 2005, 18:15:16 UTC
Not to mention that if you change Anne's social status you lose the pathos of her being Laura's illegitimate half-sister, lookalike and opposite in everything ( ... )

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kalypso_v January 23 2005, 18:21:36 UTC
I must say, I've seen only one TV version, about 20 years ago (Alan Badel as Fosco and Diana Quick as Marian), and I'm pretty sure Glyde's Awful Secret was simply the one in the church registry.

Fosco is wonderful. I was sorry to read that the current musical treats him merely as a comic turn.

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selenak January 23 2005, 19:53:52 UTC
Oh, that one I hadn't seen.

Fosco in the musical: I've just listened to it, not seen it on stage, so of course I'm not 100% sure, but he's not just comic relief. He's still the man with the plan, and the sparring with Marian is good. Still, the stunning ruthlessness and horrid implications of what he's capable of does not come across as vividly as the comic elements, plus he's short of a wife. (Which helps reduce the darker side of Fosco, as the subdued Countess serves to illustrate the nice witty Italian man isn't as harmless as he seems from the get-go.)

My problem with the musical is rather that it's not very inventive musically. There is just one song that amounts to something, Marian's "All for Laura", and that's not in the Don't cry for me, Argentina or Music of the Night class. Fosco and Marian have always the same melody and variations of same in their encounters, which gets old, and the other characters are musically indistiguishable from another.

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londonkds January 23 2005, 18:55:59 UTC
There's an essay in one of John Sutherlands series of "literary questions and plotholes" books that started with Can Jane Eyre Be Happy? on The Woman in White which deals with this same issue. As I recall, Sutherland argues that it's scary how well the paedophilia speculation fits with Glyde's actual portrayal in the book. He also finds internal evidence which he thinks was deliberately put there by Collins to suggest that Fosco's explanation of Anne's death in his confession is highly rose-tinted and self-serving.

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selenak January 23 2005, 19:25:35 UTC
It's not that Glyde isn't utterly loathsome, but not all loathsome men are by default pedophiliacs. (Can't recall any scenes with him and children in the book at all, but it has been years.)

Fosco's account of Anne's death: well, I never thought that the "the poor dear was better off dead anyway, and it offered such a splendid opportunity to switch her with Laura without actually killing Laura" wasn't self-serving. For one thing, Fosco loves showing off his inventiveness, for another, the confession was written for Marian and he has an interest in demonstrating he did something for her (i.e. not kill her sister). This being said, I also think the bones of the matter - i.e. the Anne/Laura switch being Fosco's idea - are true, because Sir Percival wasn't bright enough to think of it, and Laura alive gave Fosco an ace if he ever needed something of his own to hold over Glyde (remember, he never learns the secret). Mind you, what they did to Laura was ghastly enough. I remember having nightmares about being locked up in a madhouse ( ... )

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londonkds January 24 2005, 07:34:20 UTC
Sutherland suggests that the force with which Glyde claims that there is no chance whatsoever of him and Laura conceiving implies some kind of questionable sexual tendency on Glyde's part.

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selenak January 24 2005, 07:41:38 UTC
Good lord. And here I thought it just implied they didn't have sex. Which in turn could imply anything between impotence, him not wanting to get her pregnant because he's planning to do away with her and get her inheritance anyway, or her having the stomach to refuse him after the wedding night.

Anyway - I browsed through Sutherland's book once and thought it amusing in parts, but no more than that. I think I missed the WiW parts because I looked up Jane herself, being much of the "Rochester is a cad and fleeced Bertha Mason of her inheritence" persuasion anyway. But then, Wide Saragossa Sea said so many years earlier...

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merkuria_lyn January 23 2005, 19:23:05 UTC
There is a German adaptation? Which one is that? When is it from?

As I'm working on representations of the victorian age on television I am obviously quite intrigued!!

I read The Woman in White years ago as a teenager and loved it, then reread it a few years ago and realised that unlike some other novels it had stood the test of growing up... I still adore it. :) That said, I actually really liked the British tv adaptation - not because I was so incredibly impressed by the rewriting of Sir Percival Glyde's secret, but because I think that visually it's very very beautiful, not in a merchant ivory, but instead in a very thoughtful kind of way. It was possible to 'read' the representation of an age and it's presence in film / tv through the adaptation's mise-en-scene...

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selenak January 23 2005, 19:39:26 UTC
Die Frau in Weiss. One of the most successful German tv productions of all time, in fact. Well acted, too. The same company later did Armadale as Der rote Seidenschal.

True, the looks of the British productions were very atmospheric. And I liked Simon Callow as Fosco and Tara Last-name-escapes me as Marian.

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buffyannotater January 23 2005, 19:49:39 UTC
I've become so interested in seeing Battlestar Galactica after hearing your raves that I started taping it on my TiVO. I got all the episodes that aired so far here, but they didn't rerun the miniseries/pilot, so I put it on my Netflix queue, although that said it had a Very Long Wait, which could be months. I didn't want to wait that long, so I finally gave in and bought the DVD at Best Buy the other day. Can't wait to start watching and catch up! I think I'll start tonight.

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selenak January 23 2005, 19:56:15 UTC
Rob, you make my evening. I can't wait to hear your impressions, either, and good for you about the DVD, because I only found out this morning that the broadcast version of the miniseries shown in the US got truncuated. (Grrr, arggh at the censorship.)

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Ugh... buffyannotater January 23 2005, 20:17:50 UTC
because I only found out this morning that the broadcast version of the miniseries shown in the US got truncuated.

Same thing with the first season of Farscape here. Every first season episode was missing five minutes, which I always found really strange since it was a SciFi series, like this show is, and SciFi was more worried about adding extra commercials than airing their own series in their entirety! I had to wait for the DVDs to see the missing parts.

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