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ehowton December 16 2008, 20:23:32 UTC
I think the title of fastest now belongs to Firefox 3.1 beta, and though I initially poo-poo'd Opera's internal bittorrent client, I've found that I rely on it in more cases than not when I'm on various operating systems.

Also, spell checking is NOT built-in, it requires a separate installation of GNU's aspell.

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schpydurx December 16 2008, 20:32:33 UTC
I think the title of fastest now belongs to Firefox 3.1 beta
I've installed Firefox 3 in Windows at work, OS X at work and OS X at home. I still can't stand to use it. I haven't seen any comparisons since Firefox 3 came out. The last numbers I saw for Javascript comparison was under Firefox 2, which was slower than IE!

I initially poo-poo'd Opera's internal bittorrent client, I've found that I rely on it in more cases than not when I'm on various operating systems.
It'll do in a pinch, particularly cross-platform. I'm found of Tomato, but would not be entirety opposed to using Opera for this purpose.

Before Gmail debuted, I used Opera for my SMTP client (and loved it).

While neither Colloquy or mIRC, Opera's IRC client is highly usable.

Also, spell checking is NOT built-in, it requires a separate installation of GNU's aspell.
I'm still sore about spell check not being built in, but I see Opera's point. Of course, when you're on an OS (Mac) where spell check is built into the OS and is available even in a lowly ASCII editor, this ( ... )

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ehowton December 16 2008, 20:37:52 UTC
I haven't seen any comparisons since Firefox 3 came out.
And on the Opera site, you won't.

It'll do in a pinch, particularly cross-platform.
Which is what I was trying to qualify above. It's already there!

Opera requires no plugins or endless configuration.
I wasn't talking about why Opera chose, or didn't choose to do anything. I was simply disagreeing with your statement.

Nevertheless, aspell is a bitch to get set up correctly.
Not on GNU boxes.

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schpydurx December 16 2008, 20:46:11 UTC
And on the Opera site, you won't.
I linked to Coding Horror.

Which is what I was trying to qualify above. It's already there!
I was agreeing with you.

I was simply disagreeing with your statement.
Was that the purpose of your aspell argument?

Not on GNU boxes.
It tooke me forever, but I got it set up on Ubuntu once. It wasn't the matter of getting aspell installed, it was getting it to work with Opera. I gave up trying to get it to work correctly on OS X.

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drax0r December 16 2008, 20:54:51 UTC
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/opera_update/

Opera pushed out an update to its popular web browser on Tuesday that fixes vulnerabilities it described as "extremely severe".

Also, Chrome, Minefield, and Webkit are currently in a dead heat for the title of "fastest browser on earth"

Quit being such a fanboy.

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schpydurx December 16 2008, 20:58:11 UTC
Opera pushed out an update to its popular web browser on Tuesday that fixes vulnerabilities it described as "extremely severe".
heh. I thought it was just routine as I got asked if I wanted to upgrade the browser when I rebootoed my box to apply the OS X 10.5.6 patch.

Good to see you man!

In other news, I have a proposition I'd like to email you about.

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drax0r December 16 2008, 20:59:01 UTC
Opera was the first browser to support tabbed browsing

From Wikipedia:
n 1994, BookLink Technologies featured tabbed windows in its InternetWorks browser. That same year, a text editor called UltraEdit also appeared with a modern multi-row tabbed interface. The tabbed interface approach was then followed by the Internet Explorer shell NetCaptor in 1997. These were followed by a number of others like IBrowse in 1999, Opera in 2000 (with the release of version 4), Mozilla in 2001 (through the MultiZilla extension developed by HJ van Rantwijk in October 2000 and a built-in tabbed browsing mode added to Mozilla 0.9.5 in October 2001), Konqueror 3.1 in January 2003, and Safari in 2003.

In addition to the above, I distinctly remember using the Galleon browser in GNOME back in 99/00. The main feature that drew me to it was tabbed browsing.

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schpydurx December 16 2008, 21:03:07 UTC
I saw that as I was authoring my post, bu the way I read that is Opera was the first major browser to support tabbed browsing. IE didn't allow tabbed browsing until 7 (despite NetCaptor). Who used IBrowse?

In addition to the above, I distinctly remember using the Galleon browser in GNOME back in 99/00. The main feature that drew me to it was tabbed browsing.
So about the same time that Opera debuted tabbed browsing.

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reality_hammer December 16 2008, 22:06:44 UTC
I've tried Opera twice and both times it slogged along noticeably slower than even IE.

As for "doesn't need plugins"...no, the million and one configurable "features" will take up all of your time. :P

I suppose if I were a Unix geek still in love with emacs I'd like Opera, but I've always been a Netscape/Mozilla/Firefox fan.

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schpydurx December 16 2008, 22:17:15 UTC
To each his own. I've used Opera since version 5 and am not likely to chage. As ehowton pointed out somewhere (can't find the link in the myrid of comments on one of his other posts) Safari makes a great second browser.

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schpydurx December 19 2008, 03:52:10 UTC
suppose if I were a Unix geek still in love with emacs I'd like Opera
I've been stewing over this comment of your. Are you saying that your a Unix SysAdmin?

P.S. I thought I had left you this comment a while back, but I forgot to press the Post Comment button and hence the tab got burried. :(

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snapper521 December 20 2008, 00:10:33 UTC
I've used it. I am unimpressed.

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schpydurx December 20 2008, 00:12:08 UTC
You've had a deprived internet experience. You don't have broadband in your home.

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snapper521 December 20 2008, 00:40:30 UTC
I used it while on high speed internet via a coffee shop and again via ether net cable at Brians house. Both are high speed connections. Neither of them made the browser seem better or made it appeal to me.

My apologies but no dice.

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schpydurx December 20 2008, 00:46:09 UTC
You're a lost cause. *sigh*

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