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scarlettina

You learn something new every day

Apr 11, 2007 10:10

An LJ friend, this morning, introduced me a to a new concept: sedevacantism. Sedevacantists believe that the papacy has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958 (or, in some cases, the death of Pope John XXIII in 1963). Sedevacantists believe that the subsequent successors (or, in their view, claimants) to the papal office have been ( Read more... )

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mrdorbin April 11 2007, 18:34:13 UTC

This is the crowd Mel Gibson belongs to, which is why it always used to irritate me when the media would call him a conservative Catholic; I suppose it's technically true, but kind of misleading.

scarlettina April 11 2007, 18:39:29 UTC

This is the crowd Mel Gibson belongs to...

Really? Okay, now I have some context. Gee. And, um, yikes. Now I can see how calling Gibson a conservative is technically true but kind of misleading. This implies so much more than mere conservatism. It's living in, well, the early 1900s for all intents and purposes. Again I say, gee.

varina8 April 11 2007, 19:20:01 UTC

It's living in, well, the early 1900s for all intents and purposes.

More like the 1600s, or earlier. I think of them as kissing cousins to the extremists in the Protestant fundamentalist movement. If you don't know much about Vatican II, it's easy to see the group's beliefs as a simple rebellion against the English Mass, but they're a great deal darker than just an embrace of the Latin Mass.

botgrrrl April 11 2007, 19:23:11 UTC

That's true. To Vatican II, Mass in the vernacular was just a side show to some of the other things going on.

botgrrrl April 11 2007, 19:09:31 UTC

People get really attached to they way they practice religion, and Vatican 2 changed the way many people practiced the Roman Catholic faith. I've heard tell of people leaving congregations because the hymnal was changed.

This is also not the first time in history when there has been dispute over whether or not the pope is really the pope. There is something "happy tradition" of popes and anti-popes in the Roman Catholic church. At one point, there where three competing Popes.

Most sedevacantists point to the Second Vatican Council (or Vatican II) as the reason for their split. What I find funny, is that Vatican II enacted many of proposals Martin Luther's 1517 letter. You know, the famous one nailed to the church door?

Martin Luther... gaelfarce April 11 2007, 21:59:01 UTC

Which is why the Lutheran and Roman Catholic churches have an 'understanding' with each other now since most all dogmatic differences have changed...however that moves the RC crowd more towards the Lutheran heresy which just isn't kosher in many RC congregations.

djonn April 12 2007, 07:14:59 UTC

I've heard tell of people leaving congregations because the hymnal was changed.Heh. That would be me, but not necessarily for the reasons you'd think ( ... )

oldmangrumpus April 11 2007, 19:35:14 UTC

This may or may not be the sect the owners of Hardwick's belong to. They belong to some seriously hardcore traditionalist Catholic group (well, the owners at least)