Mind Meld

Jul 18, 2012 07:14

This week the subject is kings and queens in sf and f. Not surprising that some of us had parallel thoughts.

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asakiyume July 18 2012, 14:31:20 UTC
I haven't read through the whole entry and all the comments yet, but I love your "what's not to love? What's not to hate?"

That's so perfect, because loving and hating are what we love to do, and stories that let us do those things? Well--they grip us, don't they!

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sartorias July 18 2012, 14:45:04 UTC
Heh! That's what I figured--boil it down. It's interesting to see how others paralleled--and how they took off in other directions.

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dungeonwriter July 18 2012, 14:42:37 UTC
Jim C Hines's channeling of Tom "Loki" Hiddleston had me in stitches.

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sartorias July 18 2012, 14:45:21 UTC
yes!

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dungeonwriter July 18 2012, 14:52:24 UTC
I actually read it out loud for my work mates, during the morning coffee break.

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sartorias July 18 2012, 15:18:01 UTC
Heh!

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bunn July 18 2012, 15:26:33 UTC
Interesting that nobody mentioned Pratchett - who lives in a monarchy, is aware of the slipperiness and complexity of the concept, and has examined it from a number of perspectives.

Couple of people mentioned monarchy in the context of Tolkien, but although his major work is (sort of) about the restoration of a monarchy, I think it's interesting that it is mostly set outside of one, in a situation that came up because the kings were not very competent or sensible. And of course, the Shire, although nominally part of a kingdom, seems to be more of a very low-key oligarchy in practice.

Personally, I'm not convinced that a monarchy is a monarchy is a monarchy. I really don't think Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, Elizabeth II and Charlemagne have a lot in common in terms of their job description (though, you know, would love to be a fly on the wall if they met... :-D)

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sartorias July 18 2012, 15:31:08 UTC
Yeah--several of us touched on how much monarchies can vary, but the problem with word limitations is that one can't go into extreme detail.

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cmcmck July 18 2012, 15:27:11 UTC
In my case, the only trouble with kings and queens is that as a historian and long time student of the British Civil Wars, they turned me into a republican many years ago! :o)

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benbenberi July 19 2012, 00:00:46 UTC
Vive la république!

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cmcmck July 19 2012, 07:23:25 UTC
Grand userpic!

Shame the English Republic failed though.

Historians of the period tend to fetch up either as ardent republicans or ardent royalists- no middle ground at all. If Starkey and I ever met, there'd be a cat fight :o)

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sartorias July 19 2012, 00:02:03 UTC
HEH!

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masqthephlsphr July 18 2012, 16:57:05 UTC
This is interesting, because a lot of contemporary urban fantasy is characterized by bureaucracies: The Watchers of BtVS or Highlander, the White Council of Harry Dresden, etc. These aren't the "rulers" per se of their respective Worlds, but they are the power that effects the life of the protagonist most strongly, with actual government being a far-away, nebulous thing in such stories.

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sartorias July 18 2012, 17:02:42 UTC
Yeah--whatever they are named, we're more likely to find hierarchies of some sort.

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