edited for correct citationblackcat333_99January 6 2012, 02:17:46 UTC
(deleted and reposted for editing purposes. Yes, there is a big difference between 5.21 and 4.21, yeesh.)
I think, of all the things going through Sam's head at that moment--shock and fear, worry and love, horror and more horror and more horror still--silencing Dean wasn't a part of them. It wouldn't be his instinct to.
Yeah -- I think Sam didn't say anything in the beheading scene because he was in information-gathering mode, just trying to process exactly where Dean's head was at. Also a consideration was that -- although a more gorily violent death than the normal, it *was* a vampire getting beheaded, a vamp they had just witnessed trying to kill a fellow hunter, to boot. So... ugly moment to witness, but if Sam were to protest, what could he really say? Dean, let the vamp go? Ask the vamp to stay put while they found a less messy way to kill him? The emotions of the moment collided with the reality of the moment, I think.
He's not as physically powerful as Sam--he wasn't even in S1, when Sam was coltish--but Sam isn't as
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Re: edited for correct citationsargrafJanuary 18 2012, 05:37:44 UTC
That's a good point about where Sam's head was at. It still kinda bothers me but at that point, they didn't really know anything was different about these vampires.
You didn't intend to reference it, but I will: reminding me of 4.21, when Sam just cuts loose and whales on Dean, checking himself up only when he finds himself choking Dean. Sam doesn't have the control over his responses, and that makes him a different kind of fighter than Dean. Dean is far more deliberateYES, YES, YES. I can't wait to get to S4. This is so true. The only time I've ever seen Dean truly lose it was in "You Can't Handle The Truth." Even at the end of S4 in their fight that you reference, Dean is very controlled while Sam is a loose cannon. It's a great point that their fighting style is reflected in sex. I think we've seen more of sex from Sam at this point than Dean--which is sort of ironic, heh--and I wish we had a little more insight. Does Dean let go, give himself over to his partner, make himself vulnerable? Or is he sort of gently in charge? With
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I can't tell you how much I enjoy these posts. I'm going "Yes! I saw that!" Or just as likely, I saw it but I didn't have quite that interpretation on it till now. Nicely observed. So many things in what we're given I respond to and never break it down. Reading it here just gives it so much clarity. I don't know if it's deliberate, if the actors break down scenes to their beats, plan their reactions and their physical responses and motivations. I'm sure a lot of that goes on. I'm also sure that once on set, in character, acting with or against each other, that a lot comes out that they don't plan in advance. It's being able to read that, as I have on an emotional level, or as you do on a near-molecular level, that gives such depth and layers to this show.
Yeah, I think I'm probably reading waaaaay too much into these moments, heh. I wish I knew more about how much was in the direction and how much was natural or deliberate choices by J2. Whatever it is, it's really beautiful when they get it right.
I am loving your episode breakdowns. PLEASE keep 'em coming.
I hope you don't mind me going a little off-topic, but I thought you'd get a kick out of this. I found this on Tumblr and it reminded me of your manlove meta for Hookman. This fan really examined a scene in the episode and found something that probably 99% of watchers overlooked. When you read the blurb under the GIFS, it adds another aspect on why Dean herded Sam out of the party.
Re: Great MetasargrafJanuary 18 2012, 05:47:09 UTC
Thank you! (I just posted the next one; sorry it's so late!)
That tumblr post was great; thanks for linking me! I don't mind at all. :) I need to go back and watch that scene at full size to get a better read of that guy's expression. I think I'm missing the details in the gif. I have a feeling they've both been hit on by guys. (We've seen Dean hit on by guys, anyway; I can't recall other than this possible scene where Sam has been hit on but if they saw him without a shirt, they sure would!) I don't think it's the hitting on Sam that would have triggered Dean's herding instinct, since he'd probably laugh it off or tease Sam all other conditions being equal, but the potential aggression (sexual or otherwise) of the guy spelled trouble, I think. That guy seemed to be spoiling for a fight of some sort.
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I think, of all the things going through Sam's head at that moment--shock and fear, worry and love, horror and more horror and more horror still--silencing Dean wasn't a part of them. It wouldn't be his instinct to.
Yeah -- I think Sam didn't say anything in the beheading scene because he was in information-gathering mode, just trying to process exactly where Dean's head was at. Also a consideration was that -- although a more gorily violent death than the normal, it *was* a vampire getting beheaded, a vamp they had just witnessed trying to kill a fellow hunter, to boot. So... ugly moment to witness, but if Sam were to protest, what could he really say? Dean, let the vamp go? Ask the vamp to stay put while they found a less messy way to kill him? The emotions of the moment collided with the reality of the moment, I think.
He's not as physically powerful as Sam--he wasn't even in S1, when Sam was coltish--but Sam isn't as ( ... )
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You didn't intend to reference it, but I will: reminding me of 4.21, when Sam just cuts loose and whales on Dean, checking himself up only when he finds himself choking Dean. Sam doesn't have the control over his responses, and that makes him a different kind of fighter than Dean. Dean is far more deliberateYES, YES, YES. I can't wait to get to S4. This is so true. The only time I've ever seen Dean truly lose it was in "You Can't Handle The Truth." Even at the end of S4 in their fight that you reference, Dean is very controlled while Sam is a loose cannon. It's a great point that their fighting style is reflected in sex. I think we've seen more of sex from Sam at this point than Dean--which is sort of ironic, heh--and I wish we had a little more insight. Does Dean let go, give himself over to his partner, make himself vulnerable? Or is he sort of gently in charge? With ( ... )
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I'm glad you're writing these again.
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Thank you.
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I hope you don't mind me going a little off-topic, but I thought you'd get a kick out of this. I found this on Tumblr and it reminded me of your manlove meta for Hookman. This fan really examined a scene in the episode and found something that probably 99% of watchers overlooked. When you read the blurb under the GIFS, it adds another aspect on why Dean herded Sam out of the party.
http://secretlytodream.tumblr.com/post/15435795177/frecklefucker-fuckmespn
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That tumblr post was great; thanks for linking me! I don't mind at all. :) I need to go back and watch that scene at full size to get a better read of that guy's expression. I think I'm missing the details in the gif. I have a feeling they've both been hit on by guys. (We've seen Dean hit on by guys, anyway; I can't recall other than this possible scene where Sam has been hit on but if they saw him without a shirt, they sure would!) I don't think it's the hitting on Sam that would have triggered Dean's herding instinct, since he'd probably laugh it off or tease Sam all other conditions being equal, but the potential aggression (sexual or otherwise) of the guy spelled trouble, I think. That guy seemed to be spoiling for a fight of some sort.
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